[QUOTE=neilhytholt;752835] However, picking random fights on the street probably isn’t a good solution.[/QUOTE]Shhh! It’s all part of the KFM’s social experiment to see how long it takes to get a ball-less largely untrained and indisciplined sociopathic scrub stabbed/shot in a street fight. Social Darwinism!
pedophiles are generally cowards who dont have access to wepaons or know how to use them, plus ex convixtx cant own them Id ont think as u need a license. Oh and u can just look up where they live on fmaily watchdog.org even has a picture of them.
[QUOTE=Mr Punch;752837]Shhh! It’s all part of the KFM’s social experiment to see how long it takes to get a ball-less largely untrained and indisciplined sociopathic scrub stabbed/shot in a street fight. Social Darwinism![/QUOTE]
Aha, well if you really want to screw your life over royally, why look for street fights? Go all the way, get married or join the army or something. Don’t do it half-assed.
[QUOTE=JetLi’sFearless;752838]pedophiles are generally cowards who dont have access to wepaons or know how to use them, plus ex convixtx cant own them Id ont think as u need a license. Oh and u can just look up where they live on fmaily watchdog.org even has a picture of them.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, and of course pedophiles are criminals so of course they always follow the law and what their probation officers tell them.
They should probably have some sort of fight clubs or something, but that wouldn’t be very sanitary.
You know, my brother lives out in hicksville U.S.A. now and he got so bored he bought himself a rifle and hunts nutria now. Nutria are these varmints from South America that are destroying the North American ecosystem.
If you’re really bored you could probably buy yourself a pellet gun and go hunt some nutria. You don’t even need a license, at least in Oregon.
http://www.nutria.com/site.php
http://www.dfw.state.or.us/springfield/Nutria.html
[QUOTE=neilhytholt;752795]Somehow admitting that everyone sucks doesn’t seem to help matters any.[/QUOTE]
LOL!! Nice try Neil. You are the one who implies everyone else sucks. Mostly people here consider you the one that sucks anyway and you know that! You must have nothing else to do tonight huh??
It is knowing that you are unprepared that is the first step in becoming prepared. Use your brain a little bit and stop making inane comments!
[QUOTE=Scott R. Brown;752843]LOL!! Nice try Neil. You are the one who implies everyone else sucks. Mostly people here consider you the one that sucks anyway and you know that! You must have nothing else to do tonight huh??
It is knowing that you are unprepared that is the first step in becoming prepared. Use your brain a little bit and stop making inane comments![/QUOTE]
LOL. You fell off your pedantic high horse for once.
Admitting that MMA is limited, because it’s not fit for the street, and admitting that TMA is limited because it doesn’t practice in live situations, would imply that they both suck, wouldn’t it?
[QUOTE=JetLi’sFearless;752831]Like Ive been saying, size/strengh and pure agressiveness/how violent you are is what really determines who wins in the fight, its almost all mental, and the rest msotly how you physiclaly look like not what uve been trinaing in the gym tha tmost liekly will go out in the fight anywaya s you try to survive ratehr than win in such an encounter.[/QUOTE]
wow, you must really suck.
[QUOTE=JetLi’sFearless;752834]well here is the solution even as Bruce Lee put it, get in lots of street fight to gain experience (also growing up in a hood and being hardened helps, and having a killer instinct also helps not backing out, etc.) One solution is do what I dio, try attacking and fighting pedophiles that should be dead anyway.[/QUOTE]
if that was any more stupid, I would ban you again.
[QUOTE=Scott R. Brown;752790]This is exactly what I have been talking about on this BB for years. There is a difference between a duel and a REAL fight with REAL bad guys. The bad guys will do whatever it takes to win. They prefer any down and dirty form of attack including sneaking up on you with surprise attacks. The assailant probably would have had his clock cleaned in the ring, but in the real world surprise and tactics are used to ensure victory and bad guys will do whatever it takes to win. The result here is a possibly ended career.[/QUOTE]
it was two drunks in a bar and one lucky punch. such is life. the same woulda happened to you or any tma. the lesson? don’t drink, get obnoxious and start bar fights
[QUOTE=GunnedDownAtrocity;752816]people are ass holes before they use gear. gear just makes them bigger ass holes. and i mean that litterally … they are simply larger d1ckheads. roid rage is a myth. [/QUOTE]
= Ignorant Comment.
Been Married? Had a girlfriend? Familiar with the term ‘Hormonal?’ Do some research before you before you spew out such a silly comment. Steriods affect your HORMONES. They increase test. and can make thier users quite ‘edgey’. Look into it.
[QUOTE=neilhytholt;752849]LOL. You fell off your pedantic high horse for once.
Admitting that MMA is limited, because it’s not fit for the street, and admitting that TMA is limited because it doesn’t practice in live situations, would imply that they both suck, wouldn’t it?[/QUOTE]
Its not the art you dolt, it is the attitude of the fighter that matters! Streetfighters don’t commonly practice the MA, they practice how to fight and win using any means necessary! It is primarily strategy and tactics and secondarily skill!
[QUOTE=SevenStar;752873]it was two drunks in a bar and one lucky punch. such is life. the same woulda happened to you or any tma. the lesson? don’t drink, get obnoxious and start bar fights[/QUOTE]
Hi SevenStar
The point is his training didnt do him any good. The lesson is dont think you are a tough guy just becuz you think you have some training or experience.
It is your impression it was a lucky punch. You are assuming that, you dont actually know! It is a more likely assumption that he was blindsided. That is tactics not luck.
Here is a clip of his Pride fight vrs Butterbean, its only 38 seconds long, but there is a nine minute version of it on youtube but this cuts to the end result as quick as sh!t through a goose.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69przctOkLs&mode=related&search=
As for the object lesson, at least from where I am perched, is that self defense is not just about learning how to make funny sounding squals when spinning or talking about all the ring matches you had, its a module of global thinking.
This guy was a a$$hole making a whole world of assumptions about how dirty harry esque people should treat him, check the bottom of the article for prior reports to the cops about his behaviour, and one day the world didn’t like those assumptions and a non-dim mak killing machine bartender said f@ck it, lets crack this guys orbtial bone so he has to have plastic surgery and maybe have vision problems for life.
All because the guy got lost in his own head.
The best way
If you don’t want to get attacked by drunken criminals, don’t put yourself in places and situations where that is going to happen. If you are preparing yourself for brutal violence and paranoid about being the victim of crime, then you have already put yourself in that world. The fight everyone needs to win is the fight with their own ego, and their own fear.
Which way is best for winning on the street? not fighting on the street.
“Because he does not compete, no one can compete with him”
“He who lives by the sword will die by the sword”
-Lao tzu
[QUOTE=Lama Pai Sifu;752880]= Ignorant Comment.
Been Married? Had a girlfriend? Familiar with the term ‘Hormonal?’ Do some research before you before you spew out such a silly comment. Steriods affect your HORMONES. They increase test. and can make thier users quite ‘edgey’. Look into it.[/QUOTE]
first, thanks for your tone i appreciate it. second, i have looked into it. i train everyday with a bunch of powerlifters … some on gear some not. they are the same guys on or off the gear. i choose not to use it for my own personal reasons, but i dont judge. when i get to a point where it matters, i can say that im all natural, but i wont hold my breath for someone to mail me my gold star. steroid use does increase testosterone levels while you are taking it, but this does not automatically turn someone into a “roid head.” while increased test levels may make you a little more aggressive, most people using them have an outlet for this aggression. in general higher test levels usually cause one to be in better moods. sex temporarily increases test levels as well … do you feel like getting into a fight after getting laid? depression due to decreased test levels (and increased estrogen levels) off the juice and psychological dependence due to difficulty keeping gains off the juice are much more likely and common psychological side effects than “roid rage.” used responsibly steroids have very few if any serious side effects. problems arise when people get psychologically addicted to them and never cycle them off, use far more than they should, or both.
i could send you 10 articles supporting this, but you could in turn send me 15 more that support your side. ill go ahead and base my opinion on direct experience.
First of let me start out by saying that its always a shame whenever anyone gets hurt. I wasn’t there cannot make judgements on the incident or how it started but O’haire’s eye and face sound quite badly damaged and that is a cause to regret.
Somewhere along the line this thread became a MMA vs TMA debate but really what happened to O’haire begs a question of willingness. I’m a south Londoner in my neck of the woods shooting and stabbing people is the norm. Last week a gang stabbed a 15 year old boy with a poker through his chest outside my next door neighbours house.
No form of competition fighting is real. I’ve been to real fights fought on concrete in the middle of council estates (which American’s call projects) and that was real and that has generally convinced me that a lot of guys take themselves too seriously. Whatever you train at the end of the day the only thing that matters is intent and power. Are you training to kill? And do you have the power to kill? Cos as a martial artist thats what you need.
The difference between O’haire and the other guy was not alchohol it was the fact that the dude that messed up his face did not have a second thought about doing it. Street fighters, real street fighters, are brutal. They will push you and while you gain your ground reach into the nearest dustbin rip out a bottle and smash it across your face. You take on one guy you turn your back and bang you’re taking on six and if you dont have the power to stop each one with one strike dont be surprised if you find a blunt object crashing against the back of your head or someone’s knife slicing across the back of your knee.
To me what this incident shows is that regardless of MMA or TMA a lot of guys train for competition and not for self-defence. A lot of guys live in self-contentment at the level they’ve achieved because they have the moves to take out a guy in a regulated one on one format. Now dont think I am hating on the achievements of full contact fighters either in MMA or TMA. Cage or Lei Tai its all good. Sakuraba, Su-Dong Chen…no doubt these BMF’s could rip it up on the concrete. But are they the norm or the exceptions?
Me personally. I know I’m not an exception right now and I’m training to change that. I am not too proud to say that my skills are not at the level where my first move would not be to get around the nearest guy and run for my life. But make no mistake about it I am not going to allow the situation to go unaddressed. I dont intend to pick fights but I do intend to be in a position where if cornered someday soon I will be able to finish fights.
What happened to O’haire should beg the question to all: am I training for self-defence or for sport? I know where I lay.
If you are preparing yourself for brutal violence and paranoid about being the victim of crime, then you have already put yourself in that world.
That is so not valid. There is a difference between being paranoid and training contextual for a real world altercation. Training for violence does not put you into the world described in that article.
[QUOTE=Scott R. Brown;752908]
The point is his training didnt do him any good. [/QUOTE]
How do you know? Where you there? The only information that we have is that he got his eye busted up and that is all. Was he hit with a board or was he hit with a fist? We don’t know. Was he suckerpunched like the article says or was it a true fight? We don’t know. How much alcohol was in his system? We don’t know.
You are basing your conclusion on very little information.
[QUOTE=Leto;752915]If you don’t want to get attacked by drunken criminals, don’t put yourself in places and situations where that is going to happen. If you are preparing yourself for brutal violence and paranoid about being the victim of crime, then you have already put yourself in that world. The fight everyone needs to win is the fight with their own ego, and their own fear.
Which way is best for winning on the street? not fighting on the street.
“Because he does not compete, no one can compete with him”
“He who lives by the sword will die by the sword”
-Lao tzu[/QUOTE]
sometimes u dont have a choice, liek if u live in the hood, visit a hood wher eu get checked, go to a foreign country ran by hoods to visit ur family, etc.
most people freeze when they are close to violence anyway and all that mma or tma stuff goes out the window. For instance I watched man boxing/mma fights live and on tv and never really felt fear, but when I saw those two big guys fight otuside the bar (one ex con who intimidated me by his looks alone), I felt fear and kinda shock cause it looked alot mroe violent than any sport fight and could have turned ugly fast casue they had no holding back.