just because a punch or 2 is shared between mma and kung fu
a punch doesnt belong to kung fu ya know
What he is doing is rather unique, it’s not your standard boxing punch…it’s something unique to Kung Fu, and maybe some Kempo lines…which probably got it form Long fist in the first place.
What is that punch doing in my old Long Fist form if it’s not Kung Fu then? Did Chuck go back in time and show them UFC clips on Youtube?
I think golden arhat is trying to say: “a punch is a punch, a kick is a kick”.
he was never taught kung fu
he may have just figured it out
it doesnt mean he is using kung fu
it simply means he’s punching someone
its called mixed martial arts for a reason ya know
[QUOTE=CFT;794168]I think golden arhat is trying to say: “a punch is a punch, a kick is a kick”.[/QUOTE]
thats the one
cheers 
it doesnt mean he is using kung fu
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If he is using a Kung Fu technique, he is doing Kung Fu. He runs in Kempo circles right? I know they have some Chinese influences. Maybe someone he has come in contact with is a Long Fist player, and he picked it up informally from them, but he IS doing a signature Chinese punch. All the details are correct.
[QUOTE=RD’S Alias - 1A;794171]it doesnt mean he is using kung fu
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If he is using a Kung Fu technique, he is doing Kung Fu. He runs in Kempo circles right? I know they have some Chinese influences. Maybe someone he has come in contact with is a Long Fist player, and he picked it up informally from them, but he IS doing a signature Chinese punch. All the details are correct.[/QUOTE]
i have never seen that punch used in kempo
ever
and i thoroughly doubt that he learned it from a long fist player
come on do u honestly expect him to socialise with cma guys ?
especially being the prize fighter that he is
he doesnt use kung fu he uses mixed martial arts
one punch that may be related to cma doesnt make him a cma’ist
I am not saying he’s a CMA, just that when he uses that punch, he’s using Kung Fu. I don’t know ANYONE else that uses it outside of Long Fist.
[I]come on do u honestly expect him to socialise with cma guys ?
especially being the prize fighter that he is [/I]
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I have news for you, MMA guys don’t care who they socialise with, or where their techniques come form, so long as they work.
All the MMA VS TMA thing is just form the fans on the forums. I don’t see it extending to the actual fighters, many of which come form heavy TMA backgrounds.
[QUOTE=RD’S Alias - 1A;794171]it doesnt mean he is using kung fu
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If he is using a Kung Fu technique, he is doing Kung Fu. He runs in Kempo circles right? I know they have some Chinese influences. Maybe someone he has come in contact with is a Long Fist player, and he picked it up informally from them, but he IS doing a signature Chinese punch. All the details are correct.[/QUOTE]
I hate to break this to ya but your reaching on this one.
All the basics stripped down are the same. Their methods of delivery may differ but all in all it’s the same.
Ok we know Chuck has a Kempo background. You really think his punch comes from longfist? Are you trolling for responses ?
I mean I could say “hey look chuck is doing a CLF wheel punch” I would still say that sounds ridiculous as well, even if it looks the same.
After reading the Dlist posts it’s not surprising you got that reaction. I don’t know you from Adam but you did kind of come across as a bit of an ass.
Nothing personal, just an casual observation.
If he’s doing the punch, he’s doing the punch. If it’s something specific to Long Fist, and he’s doing it, then he’s doing it.
It does not matter where he got it from, he is still doing it.
[QUOTE=RD’S Alias - 1A;794200]If he’s doing the punch, he’s doing the punch. If it’s something specific to Long Fist, and he’s doing it, then he’s doing it.
It does not matter where he got it from, he is still doing it.[/QUOTE]
a punch is a punch. everyone does it. whether its specific to longfist or tae kwan do or karate is a stupid arguement.
Lidell is doing a type of hook that is very specific to Chinese Long fist though. His over hand strike is also VERY specifily Chinese Long Fist. Infact, his over hand can almost said to define Longfist principals.
These are techniques not really seen anywhere else.
He’s not doing a boxer’s hook, his fist is facing the other way, so the point of his knuckle is leading. It’s right out of one of my Tai Tzu long Fist forms, only there it’s done as a double strike. You see it in Tai Chi all the time too, but it’s not very common anywhere else.
Isn’t there a youtube video of Chuck teaching his “brand” of hooks and over hand strikes ?
Yes, I saw it. That is what made me realize he’s doing Kung Fu.
What he was showing looked exactly like a Kung fu lesson.
Even the way he stays on his feet, and strikes down from a standing position when his opponent is on the ground, is typical Chinese thinking.
He has a VERY Chinese fighting method.
RD. part of the problem in this discussion, also is the fact that how many people discussing this with you are even remote experts on longfist material?
to see and understand what is long fist, you must have studied long fist for some time.
it would be like me trying to see a signature savate punch/kick although i have never studied it.
i would only be pretending to know if it is or is not savate.
ie, if you dont know longfist, how will you know if a certain technique actually draws its roots from traditional longfist dating thousands of years ago…
[QUOTE=RD’S Alias - 1A;794220]Yes, I saw it. That is what made me realize he’s doing Kung Fu.
What he was showing looked exactly like a Kung fu lesson.
Even the way he stays on his feet, and strikes down from a standing position when his opponent is on the ground, is typical Chinese thinking.
He has a VERY Chinese fighting method.[/QUOTE]
Allow me a quick example, a while back I posted a drill on the punching bag that I do to show “short power”, I was told by some that it was a fine example of Xing-i punching.
I have never done Xing-i in my life, never even seen it outside youtube.
Hmm, good point. Although Long Fist is so popular, I would think most people on this forum know at least the basics of it…enough to instantly recognize Lidell is doing it at least.
Kung fu
Liddel looks like he is using Hop gar.
Mr. punch, u r correct in saying that the arguement that kung fu has no fluff b/c krav maga has no fluff is pish(i don’t know what that means) but that isn’t what i said(at least I don’t think I did). What i meant was that krav maga carries on the spirit and techniques of kung fu and uses them in a military setting. If you were to break down the techniques one by one you would see that they all come from kung fu. “The Burst” is a technique used in Wing Chun, Hung Gar, etc… The various small locks are basic Chin Na. I have seen the use of Eagle Claw and tiger Claw in various techniques. All (or most0 the techniques that Krav Maga uses were taken from other styles that mostly came from kung fu.
The kung fu is there. You just have to look.
The thai use a form of H2H that is an offshoot of muay thai and changed to suit military purposes. not too knowledgeable about that though.
The us uses Choy li Fut ,wing chun, and a form of tai chi. I don’t really know where tho. I heard it from a military buddy. I’ll ask when I see him again.
i hope this helps
WF
[QUOTE=RD’S Alias - 1A;794229]Hmm, good point. Although Long Fist is so popular, I would think most people on this forum know at least the basics of it…enough to instantly recognize Lidell is doing it at least.[/QUOTE]
I think you missed my point, Chuck isn’t doing longfist, unless he says it is and he has trained in it, YOU are seeing him do something that reminds you of longfist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXJlVS_IxP4
Look at the second half of tis clip, from :40 on
He’s throwing Muy Tai Round Kicks a lot here. The clip has nothing to do with my point, it was just bizzar.