I never tried to prove he was fake, i just said his sparring partner was crap.
Ralek,
If you think can come to a conclusion that Mas’s sparring partners were bull, then I could probly say the same about the gracies beating up some “kung fu” guy.
Sorry Nafanal
Sorry nafanal either I misread your post, or misjudge why you put the address to the site.
Always there are puffed up stories told about so an so, but that doesn’t mean that the individual was a fake. If we take all the facts and place them in two piles, one that supports he was a master and the other that say’s otherwise, the biggest pile by far would be the “he was a master pile.” Also, in any organization the size of Mass Oyama’s there is bound to be heavy politcs.
Just look at the JKA(Japanese Karate Asso) for example, “man, what a mess that was” (and still is). That said, there are some great Karateka inside that organization.
Again, Ralek loves to discredit anything non-BJJ. What I figure is that some CMA kicked his azz really good some time ago. Why else would he spend all this time on a CMA news group slaggin us.
Am I right Ralek?
If I’m not, I bet I’m close to the truth.
This is the inherent problem with fame.
Those who would want a piece of what you have done either create a cult of personality or dismiss you as a fraud. Not often is the simple lesson taken for what it is, a lesson.
Buddha was elevated to a god in some sects even at the protests of the buddha!
The same can be said of Jesus depending on your perception and beliefs as well Mohammed and all the rest.
To me, it is in the lessons and teachings where a person can find the value from anothers trials and tribulations. Application to the self is where it serves you best.
In simpler terms, it is the deeds, words and actions that are great and not the act of following the person who did, said or acted.
follow the words, act on their meaning to do great deeds, if done with humility, much can be accomplished een by an anonymous person.
I of course, have not fully learned how to do this yet 
But, I’m just another guy, walkin around, eating food and doin stuff
peace
Kung Lek
re:Mas Oyama
Mas Oyama was definately an innnovator.He was one of the first karateka to expouse weight training in his training and there are pictures of him training with weights.I owned one of his books when I was a kid “What Is Karate” I believe it was called and it had many exercises especially weight training.It was Shigeru Oyama(no relation)I beleive who fought the 100 man kumite before he came to the US and started a Kyokushin school in New York City.A good film of the Kyokushin style is “Black Fighting Kings” and I have it on video.Excellent story on the style that follows the training of three guys from New York city dojo who train under sensei oyama for the anual fighting tournament in japan.The rules I believe were no punches to the face but anywhere else but the groin were legal full contact and also kicks to the head and legs were allowed full contact and no protective gear was allowed(for hands and feet).In this video there were even some thai boxers who competed and did well.Sensei oyama was also one of the first true cross trainers having trained in shotokan under funikoshi,goju under gogen"the cat"yamaguchi,and judo.He was constantly searching for something more effective.By the way sensei oyama was not japanese but korean by birth and in his book he gives much credit to the chinese martial arts and kenpo(china hands).
Osu!
Some of my best training before CMA came from Kyokushinkai Krate. I enjoyed the tough classes, the full contact training and the pace of the class a great deal..Shins still bear the marks from training..
In fact, I should go back and train that style again to lose the weight I have gained playing video games…heh,
If you get the chance to work with a good school, take it. You will get a chance to see some excellent basics with an emphasis on reality in training.
just a few pennies from a pig…
-“bigger is BIGGER”
IronPig
Sosai Mas Oyama
Sosai is for real I know of more than one person who saw the bull fights and I know that he did the 300 man Kumite because My father was one of Sosai’s 1st U.S. Students and traveled with him. Sosai made the Kyokushin what it is today by fighting anyone he could. This way he beleived that people would want to train in Kyokushin. Which they did. He was not super man but he was a warrior and set the example for us all. Do a technique a 1,000 times you ae learning it 10,000 times you know it and 100,000 time s you own it . This is a quote from Sosai Oyama
[QUOTE=Kung Lek;10153]This is the inherent problem with fame.
Those who would want a piece of what you have done either create a cult of personality or dismiss you as a fraud. Not often is the simple lesson taken for what it is, a lesson.
Buddha was elevated to a god in some sects even at the protests of the buddha!
The same can be said of Jesus depending on your perception and beliefs as well Mohammed and all the rest.
To me, it is in the lessons and teachings where a person can find the value from anothers trials and tribulations. Application to the self is where it serves you best.
In simpler terms, it is the deeds, words and actions that are great and not the act of following the person who did, said or acted.
follow the words, act on their meaning to do great deeds, if done with humility, much can be accomplished een by an anonymous person.
I of course, have not fully learned how to do this yet
But, I’m just another guy, walkin around, eating food and doin stuff
peace
Kung Lek
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I liked Kung Lek better than David Jaimeson.
you guys know there’s this korean movie that they made based on him called “fighter in the wind” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT3BEwnBK90
I’m a bjj guy i know that the gracies have everything on tape that’s great they want to prove everything; but at that time in japan cameras was not that easily accessable and from my knowledge the media was following him from dojo to dojo due to the fact that he publicly announced his challenges. He was in japanese newspaper everywhere.
And to Ralek I read your statement and u stated he did not fight AT THAT time. In other words that period of his life; I would definitely hope so when he’s that old.
and also BJJ is GREAT but u gotta expand your mind
undefeated?i thought he had one lose and that was to a tai chi master in china.
anyone know about this?
I heard a story that he through out a challange to all in Japan saying other arts were no good etc etc.
Apparently Hatsumi (Ninjutsu Master) said he would take him on live TV for all to see and after that Sosai shut up - he declined to take him on and ate humble pie.
Not 100 sure if it was Hatsumi it could have been someone else, cant remember who though 
Not sure if there is alot of of truth to this but heard it doing the rounds.