I was reading in one of my books about this Karate teacher (Zen in the Martial Arts) and the writer said that he rememebers when he saw a film where Mas Oyama went head to head with a charging bull and brought the bull to the ground with 2 blows, The first blow sliced a horn in half, the second hammered the bull sqaure on the head which stunned it. Has anyone seen this? It is kinda hard for me to believe this story, so if a few can confirm it or give me a site that might have the video on it would be helpful.
Thanks
There was a post a while back about this. By a direct student of Mas Oyama said that the video was propaganda and not even real and he said that the didn’t show it to Westerners becuase they would just laugh at how fake it looked.
And he also said that Mas Oyama had never actually been in a fight in his life to the best of his knowledge. He said that the years Mas Oyama was supposedly fighting a lot he actually never fought.
People’s imaginations can make mediocre fighters look like gods. Look at Bruce Lee. Sucky fighter who is now a god becuase of the things fanatical students say.
Brazilian jiujitsu is superior.
Ralek, once again you have made an ass of yourself.
Sum Sing Wong, do a search on Mas Oyama and as well look into Kyokushin Kai (sp?) karate the system he founded which is the governing body for the K1 -K3 fights.
There are plenty of photos of Mas breaking the Bulls horn off and he used to be big on proving his karate was strong.
peace
Kung Lek
Kurobi! OUSSS!!!
He is the man Mas. Hmm I used to have a bookmark to the site that showed a video of Mas and the bull. very impressive.
“Life’s a great Adventure, Mate”
Jacko Jackson
I can’t believe it, but I agree with Ralek.
I read that article by the student of Oyama, and it definitly says that the horn break was a prearranged stunt and that the horn had been broken beforhand with a hammer.
I am the most humble person you’ll ever meet.
Which student of Oyama said this?
I don’t get mad.
I get stabby.
I think his name is John Blumming. He was Oyama’s most famous European student.
I am the most humble person you’ll ever meet.
all politics aside, I think that from what I understand of Oyama, this "student’ wasn’t a student at all but just some guy that got his arse kicked and was all ticky about it
hahahahaha.
people get nasty when they don’t get their way.
I’m a Kung Fu player and I was a karateka in my younger days (Isshin Ryu) and I can state categorically that Kyukoshin is not a “tag match” style like so many others. No disrespects to any Karateka or martial arts players.
The Kyukoshin guys are the hardcore karate guys on the block.
peace
Kung Lek
Blumming is a serious tough guy, but he also blows a lot of hot air (none of which ever crept out of his mouth while Oyama was alive). They had a disagreement as to how to maximize one’s karate potential. Blumming has a history of knocking on other Japanese martial artists, meanwhile he still proudly wears the ranks they gave him, and won’t let anybody forget it).
I would take anything Blumming says about any other martial artist with a shovel full of salt.
I don’t get mad.
I get stabby.
Mas Oyama
Mas Oyama otherwise known as “God Hand” by the Japanese.
Little info:
Most of the time the blow was struck from behind as the bull charged by. Mas Oyama learned this from seeing a bull once break off its horns while pulling its head back out of a fence.
Horns of a bull are broken easier this way than a blow from the front.
It still takes a lot of force to break the horns of a bull, he would usally wrestle (Hog tie in a simmular to Texas Rodeo style) the bull to deliver the strike than would stun it.
However, sometimes things go wrong, Mas Oyamma was gored several times(once very seriously almost costing him his life.)
As far as his fighting record
Mas Oyama once fought 241 opponents, wrestlers, boxer, karateka etc in a 24 hour peroid never once having lost.
Most were finished with one strike.
Pound for pound, Mas Oyama but Mike Tyson to shame.
His no# 1 student(I forget his name) in order to come to America and teach under his name, had to fight a 100 bouts in a row. This is all public knowledge that can be found on the web and in book or video.
Mas Oyama was very real!
His soul goal was to find truth through Karatedo
he pursued this truth with a religion type passion, few of us have in us (I don’t thats for sure)
Ralek!
Where you been? Have not seen any trouble from you lately. It is getting BORING…
Challenge somebody, the last one kinda died.
Sosai Oyama
Mojo, I think that Shihan Arneil might have some thing to say about who was the toughest Kyuokoshin, he was the first 100 man, thats Shihan Steve Arneil, don’t call me spanky.
“And the crowd called out for more”
“As far as his fighting record Mas Oyama once fought 241 opponents, wrestlers, boxer, karateka etc in a 24 hour peroid never once having lost.”
Bull. I’m sorry, but that’s a fairy tale.
DragonzRage & Don’t call me spanky! have it right
When you go to the mountains and do nothing but train in seclusion for 3 years, you’re probably going to be strong. That’s what Oyama did. He proved his strength many times.
The only reason a warrior is alive is to fight, and the only reason a warrior fights is to win. Otherwise, why be a warrior? It is easier to count beads. -Miyamoto Musashi
No DragonzRage, it’s pretty well documented. It’s where the 100 Man Kumite came from.
“It is necessary to drink alcohol and pursue other fun human activities. The art of someone who is too serious has no flavour.”- Choki Motobu
But is it REALLY documented, or is it one of those hand me down stories that Kyokushinkai seniors tell to students who look up to Sensei Oyama greatly? My undertstanding is that Oyama had a bunch of back to back kumite sparring matches and won ever single one. But as I said, these were KUMITE SPARRING MATCHES. And all the people he was sparring with were his Kyokushinkai students and underlings (obviously, they cannot possibly be considered serious opponents). But did he have any real fights with other reputable Japanese martial artists outside of his organization? Or did he put it on the line against any decent boxer? No. There has been no documented accounts and evidence of this other than the implications and stpries told by the Kyokushinkai people. Oyama spent a reasonable amount of time in America doing karate demonstrations (I believe he was touring with an American pro wrestling show). Now through all that time, if he was such a “godhand” you would think that he’d use the opportunity to fight some decent American fighters. But he didn’t. He could’ve had a publicized exhibition match with a decent boxer or something. But all documented evidence shows that he simply demonstrated his karate and broke bricks and stuff.
Oyama had a fourth dan in Judo (which by all accounts he earned on the matt), so he has many “fights” under those rules with people who were not his students.
Oyama studied many arts (not just karate styles) with the very top instructors of the period, so I doubt too much would have totally surprised him. He was acknowledged as somebody who could “throw down” by his peers.
I don’t get mad.
I get stabby.
Actually John Blumming was Oyama’s friend or something and was picked by Oyama to be the representative of the style or something. But Blummming declined. And supposedly Oyama told stories to his students about how deadly John Blumming was and the students were terrified when John Blumming visited and he met a student out side standing guard.
I think John Blumming said that the reason he was writting the post was becuase that people had highly exaggerated Mas Oyama when he died. He said that one of the black belts left oyama and started training with him once Oyama started calling himself the “God Hand”. And he said that he was studying with Mas Oyama when Oyama suppsoedly had a bunch of fights or something. He said that Oyama never even fought a single time during that period of time.
I think John Blummings story shocked a bunch of karate guys who worshipd Oyama so they make Blumming look like he is unqualified. You guys say Blumming got beat up by the japanese guys? By who? Please give me details.
Blumming was giving his ranks by Oyama himself and was asked to be the representative or somehting.
Brazilian jiujitsu is superior.
Mas Oyama
Thanks Oldwolf, I couldn’t remember his name.
In reference to Mas Oyama touring with a wrestling troup. I heard that he did, buy I was told that this was years after his prime.(I could be wrong)
As for the 241 kumite. I don’t know what the quality of fighters were, however even 241 cream puffs is still a lot of fighting (I dought that even 25% were considered cream puffs at the time) and is still a huge huge feat of martial prowess. Also I don’t think there were actually 241 fighters, I think he fought a lesser number of people mutiple times.
I know I couldn’t do it!
Like it or not this is well documented. It happend in the late forties or early fifties.
By then he had a Mike Tyson type reputation, so we can only say he probably had the intimidation factor on his side. Not too many people want to experience Iron Mike up close and personnal. The last fight I seen (it was here in Detroit about a year ago) he broke the guys jaw and fractured his face, the experts still are not sure if it was a head butt or an actual blow…Remeber?
Still he is an impressive stand up fighter…no question about that.
The same goes for Mas Oyama. Seroiusly the guy became a hermit up in the mountains of Japan. All he did was practice Karate and strike boulders and trees etc etc
That some spiritual dedication to your art, by then you are your art.
Ralek
Once again you have proven that you are a troll.
How old are you? “let me guess 19 or something?”
You just don’t get it do you? You seem to think its a style of martial art that makes you the best. You don’t understand that it was the man that made jujitsu what it is today. Not the otherway around.
There comes along in history people who are so skillfull in their art that they are very formidable against anyone(no matter what style)
Your trying to bust Oyama’s balls because you see him as some kind of threat to your precious notion of Jujitsu aren’t you?
Man, look at the hardcore karate style he created!
That alone is some serious accomplishment!
What are you known for?
Being a troll! that’s what
and being a troll is what you will stay if you don’t stop spewing crap.
Go away little boy!
Go away