There’s still time if any people want to test what they do.
I hope some more Wing Chun people will compete since we have such a bad rep for fighting.
Thanks Phil!
This is the first I heard of this latest one. Are these posted earlier in advance somewhere so people from out of state can have time to plan for the trip?
[QUOTE=JPinAZ;1031790]Thanks Phil!
This is the first I heard of this latest one. Are these posted earlier in advance somewhere so people from out of state can have time to plan for the trip?[/QUOTE]
Sorry for posting this so close to the event. I will post the next one way in advance.
What are chi sau / sticky hands rules if I may ask?
Chi Sao? Sticky hands? I thought this was a fight compitition.
[QUOTE=Lee Chiang Po;1032007]Chi Sao? Sticky hands? I thought this was a fight compitition.[/QUOTE]
ManupStandup Traditional Wuhu Fighting League
Free fighting rules
MUSU RULES:
All prospective fighters must submit the following information:
NAME
SCHOOL/STYLE
AGE
WEIGHT
HEIGHT
YRS. EXPERIENCE
and send via email to brotherlaoqiang@yahoo.com as soon as possible for consideration.
As a qualifier, all fighters will be required to perform a form/set from their style. Additionally, the fight judges will also score on authentic usage of the fighter’s particular style in each round.
The center referee and the referee general have the authority to DQ any fighter at any time.
The center referee, the referee general, the fight doctor and EMT staff have the authority to stop the fight at anytime.
Lightweight - Over 130 lbs or 58.967 kgs to 135 lbs or 61.235 kgs
Middleweight – Over 160 lbs or 72.575 kgs to 168 lbs or 76.204 kgs
Heavyweight – Over 200 lbs or 90.719 kgs to unlimited
FREE FIGHTING:
To submit due to strikes or a lock a fighter must rapidly tap his open hand against any solid surface in view of the referee.
Corners:
Fighters will be designated as either blue or yellow by a colored sash. Each fighter is allowed 2 corner men (1st and assistant). If at any time either corner man steps onto the Lei Tai without express permission from the center referee or referee general their fighter will instantly be DQ.
Conduct: Fighters and corner men are expected to be professional, calm and sportsmanlike at all times. Fighters can receive fouls or become DQ anytime they, their corner men or anyone affiliated with them deviates from these expectations. The judges, center referee, referee general, promoters, the competing fighter and everyone in attendance are to be respected at all times. Fighters, corner men, coaches and teammates are to exemplify Wu De/Mo Duk (martial virtue) at all times.
Grappling: Grappling, throwing and joint locking are allowed. A 10 second count will be initiated once fighters begin grappling on their feet. If the fighters do not separate and neither fighter falls at the end of the count they will be separated and the round will continue. If both fighters fall to the floor and continue grappling a new 10 count will begin. (Fighters grapple for 4 seconds before Yellow throws Blue to the ground. Yellow follows Blue to the floor to pursue a lock. Referee begins new 10 count.) Joint locks may not be applied to a standing opponent. Submissions may occur from the floor through the execution of joint lock techniques, chokes (locking the fingers around the throat is not allowed) or successive strikes. The same legal striking areas and techniques apply to the floor. Fighters will be stood-up if there is no submission in 10 seconds.
SPARRING EQUIPMENT:
- Mandatory safety equipment : Headgear (optional) mouthpiece , groin cup, shine guard (optional) footgear (optional) Mix martial arts gloves or open finger gloves 12 oz boxing gloves or optional. Note all gloves must weight 12 oz.
- Scoring areas: Face, chest, stomach, thigh, and lower leg. No Knockouts! Beginners only side of the face is allow striking for scoring area. (No front of face.)
- No contact area: front of face, spine, back of head, knees, groin, and neck. Contact to the front of face is only allowed in the intermediate and advanced sparring division.
- Use of elbows and knees only to the front of the body, no joint locks, no choking, no head butt, no body slams.
- Takedowns are allowed only in intermediate and advanced free fighting division.
[QUOTE=Wayfaring;1031935]What are chi sau / sticky hands rules if I may ask?[/QUOTE]
http://www.youtube.com/user/ManupStandup#p/u/16/yIk7OX07cFI
ManupStandup Traditional Wushu Fighting League
Free style Push Hand Competition Rules
(No Weight Class)
- The free style push hands division is for men.
- Competitors can wear a t-shirt, long pants and training shoes. No jewelry or watchers are allowed to wear doing a push hand match.
- No sweeps, takedowns, joint locks or striking are allowed in beginner push hand division.
- Intermediate & advanced push hands division sweeps and takedowns are allowed. No joint locks, striking, or body slams are not allowed.
- Each match will be timed for three minutes. One minute rest before between rounds, with total 2 rounds.
- Push Hands competitors will begin facing off with right hand and foot forward, right hand making contact to utilize sticking and listening energy. The Push hands judge will say begin and the match will initiate. 7. Winner will be determined by the best usage of push hands principles and how well they utilize the techniques of sticking, neutralizing, sinking, rooting and uprooting skills. Maintaining ward off strength and use of proper aligned strength when retreating to neutralize an attack or when issuing a counterattack.
-
- PENALTIES AND STOPPAGES: You can get Penalized or disqualified for Pushing or shoving with brute force! If youre caught using brute force with no technique, the ref can issue a warning. Keep getting caught not utilizing the push hand principles youll be Penalized or disqualified altogether from the match!
[QUOTE=Lee Chiang Po;1032007]Chi Sao? Sticky hands? I thought this was a fight compitition.[/QUOTE]
It’s a little more than Chi Sao. 
http://www.youtube.com/user/ManupStandup#p/a
This sounds a little crazy. How are the judges going to judge all styles? Do the judges train in every kung Fu style?
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;1032127]ManupStandup Traditional Wuhu Fighting League
Free fighting rules
MUSU RULES:
All prospective fighters must submit the following information:
NAME
SCHOOL/STYLE
AGE
WEIGHT
HEIGHT
YRS. EXPERIENCE
and send via email to brotherlaoqiang@yahoo.com as soon as possible for consideration.
As a qualifier, all fighters will be required to perform a form/set from their style. Additionally, the fight judges will also score on authentic usage of the fighter’s particular style in each round.
The center referee and the referee general have the authority to DQ any fighter at any time.
The center referee, the referee general, the fight doctor and EMT staff have the authority to stop the fight at anytime.
Lightweight - Over 130 lbs or 58.967 kgs to 135 lbs or 61.235 kgs
Middleweight – Over 160 lbs or 72.575 kgs to 168 lbs or 76.204 kgs
Heavyweight – Over 200 lbs or 90.719 kgs to unlimited
FREE FIGHTING:
To submit due to strikes or a lock a fighter must rapidly tap his open hand against any solid surface in view of the referee.
Corners:
Fighters will be designated as either blue or yellow by a colored sash. Each fighter is allowed 2 corner men (1st and assistant). If at any time either corner man steps onto the Lei Tai without express permission from the center referee or referee general their fighter will instantly be DQ.
Conduct: Fighters and corner men are expected to be professional, calm and sportsmanlike at all times. Fighters can receive fouls or become DQ anytime they, their corner men or anyone affiliated with them deviates from these expectations. The judges, center referee, referee general, promoters, the competing fighter and everyone in attendance are to be respected at all times. Fighters, corner men, coaches and teammates are to exemplify Wu De/Mo Duk (martial virtue) at all times.
Grappling: Grappling, throwing and joint locking are allowed. A 10 second count will be initiated once fighters begin grappling on their feet. If the fighters do not separate and neither fighter falls at the end of the count they will be separated and the round will continue. If both fighters fall to the floor and continue grappling a new 10 count will begin. (Fighters grapple for 4 seconds before Yellow throws Blue to the ground. Yellow follows Blue to the floor to pursue a lock. Referee begins new 10 count.) Joint locks may not be applied to a standing opponent. Submissions may occur from the floor through the execution of joint lock techniques, chokes (locking the fingers around the throat is not allowed) or successive strikes. The same legal striking areas and techniques apply to the floor. Fighters will be stood-up if there is no submission in 10 seconds.
SPARRING EQUIPMENT:
- Mandatory safety equipment : Headgear (optional) mouthpiece , groin cup, shine guard (optional) footgear (optional) Mix martial arts gloves or open finger gloves 12 oz boxing gloves or optional. Note all gloves must weight 12 oz.
- Scoring areas: Face, chest, stomach, thigh, and lower leg. No Knockouts! Beginners only side of the face is allow striking for scoring area. (No front of face.)
- No contact area: front of face, spine, back of head, knees, groin, and neck. Contact to the front of face is only allowed in the intermediate and advanced sparring division.
- Use of elbows and knees only to the front of the body, no joint locks, no choking, no head butt, no body slams.
- Takedowns are allowed only in intermediate and advanced free fighting division.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MysteriousPower;1032136]This sounds a little crazy. How are the judges going to judge all styles? Do the judges train in every kung Fu style?[/QUOTE]
There are Si-Fus from many different styles involved. And even if there weren’t a clean technique is obvious regardless of what style you do.
cant hit the face ? am i misreading that rule ?
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;1032158]There are Si-Fus from many different styles involved. And even if there weren’t a clean technique is obvious regardless of what style you do.[/QUOTE]
just a question, since they are not really allowing grappling, why do they use 4oz gloves, i would have thought boxing gloves would have made more sense?
they are allowing some grappling. You have 10 seconds to pull something off on the ground.
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;1032283]they are allowing some grappling. You have 10 seconds to pull something off on the ground.[/QUOTE]
I have an idea – why don’t they only allow 10 seconds for free-movement stand up too! That will allow for “some striking.”
[QUOTE=t_niehoff;1032310]I have an idea – why don’t they only allow 10 seconds for free-movement stand up too! That will allow for “some striking.” ;)[/QUOTE]
Could your lack of upright fighting ability be any more transparent? Don’t you think that it is time to give your bitterness towards WC a rest and just accept the fact that you are responsible for your lack of success in upright fighting?
Besides, 10 seconds is more than adequate time for you to blowout your shoulder and retire from competition.
[QUOTE=Frost;1032269]just a question, since they are not really allowing grappling, why do they use 4oz gloves, i would have thought boxing gloves would have made more sense?[/QUOTE]
Did you study WC for a period of time? You can do WC with boxing gloves, but it has to be modified. With mma gloves it allows the techniques to be expressed and used more similarly to the way that they are initially taught. The same is true for other arts, especially TCMA.
[QUOTE=HumbleWCGuy;1032314] . . . You can do WC with boxing gloves, but it has to be modified. With mma gloves it allows the techniques to be expressed and used more similarly to they way that they are initially taught. The same is true for other arts, especially TCMA.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, 
[QUOTE=t_niehoff;1032310]I have an idea – why don’t they only allow 10 seconds for free-movement stand up too! That will allow for “some striking.” ;)[/QUOTE]
IMO, it’s probably because sadly, most TMAs aren’t very familiar with modern ground fighting. Those that are should be able to pull something off on someone unfamiliar to grappling in 10 seconds. I didn’t make the rule but I’ve heard from the promoters that they want people to be able to use their arts against resisting opponents while standing.
There are grappling only events, and there is K1 with no grappling. So this is an event with “limited” grappling.
Hopefully, these TMAs will start learning to defend on the ground and maybe more time will be allowed on the ground.
My take is that since most TMAs don’t fight at all that these events are at least a start for people getting used to full contact. (Excuse typos, just getting familiar with the iphone 4 keyboard)
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;1032317]IMO, it’s probably because sadly, most TMAs aren’t very familiar with modern ground fighting. Those that are should be able to pull something off on someone unfamiliar to grappling in 10 seconds. I didn’t make the rule but I’ve heard from the promoters that they want people to be able to use their arts against resisting opponents while standing.
[/QUOTE]
No one is going to be able to pull any sub off in 10 seconds of ground time with a genuinely resisting opponent (unless they get very lucky).
And the rules also limit “stand up” grappling (clinch) to 10 seconds. This isn’t consistent with “the promoters that they want people to be able to use their arts against resisting opponents while standing.”
I think what the promoters really want is to keep the action mainly free-movement striking (kickboxing).
There are grappling only events, and there is K1 with no grappling. So this is an event with “limited” grappling.
So limited as to make it inconsequential.
Hopefully, these TMAs will start learning to defend on the ground and maybe more time will be allowed on the ground.
My take is that since most TMAs don’t fight at all that these events are at least a start for people getting used to full contact. (Excuse typos, just getting familiar with the iphone 4 keyboard)
OK.