This sucks! Restrictive rules for competition in UFC

These are some very restrictive rules the UFC goes under some of them are very rediculous in that they HEAVILY favor BJJ type fighters. After looking at this foul list can anybody obviouly say that UFC is a style vs. style competition?
I think I’ll just completely ignore someone using “no kungfu in UFC so it isn’t reality based” argument from now on.

Fouls:
Butting with the head. What!?! I see so you have to grapple to get out of the guard.

Eye gouging of any kind. OK

Biting.Ok

Hair pulling.Ok

Fish hooking.I am not sure what this is

Groin attacks of any kind. Disservice to strikers

Putting a finger into any orifice or into any cut or laceration on an opponent. Ok I can understand that eww

Small joint manipulation. Why?

Striking to the spine or the back of the head. This severly limits defence other than grappleing for the shoot

Striking downward using the point of the elbow.This severly limits defence other than grappleing for the shoot

Throat strikes of any kind, including, without limitation, grabbing the trachea. Isn’t that a kind of choke, oh it’s not one usually used by BJJ stylist

Clawing, pinching or twisting the flesh. This is heavily used in Kungfu, why is it illeagal? So nobody will get hurt?

Grabbing the clavicle. Why?

Kicking the head of a grounded opponent. Ah so you have to go to the ground to finish your oppenant instead of standing

Kneeing the head of a grounded opponent.
Stomping a grounded opponent. Ah so you have to go to the ground to finish your oppenant instead of standing

Kicking to the kidney with the heel. Why?

Spiking an opponent to the canvas on his head or neck. Purpose of Chinese style throws? To throw the opponent to the ground on his head neck etc to cause injury

Throwing an opponent out of the ring or fenced area.OK

Holding the shorts or gloves of an opponent. So a BJJ guy could use his Gi against you but you can’t use it against him? or are gis not allowed anymore

Spitting at an opponent. OK

Engaging in an unsportsmanlike conduct that causes an injury to an opponent. OK

Holding the ropes or the fence. Ok

Using abusive language in the ring or fenced area. OK

Attacking an opponent on or during the break.OK

Attacking an opponent who is under the care of the referee. OK

Attacking an opponent after the bell has sounded
the end of the period of unarmed combat.OK

Flagrantly disregarding the instructions of the referee. OK

Timidity, including, without limitation, avoiding contact with an opponent, intentionally or consistently dropping the mouthpiece or faking an injury.OK

Interference by the corner.OK

Throwing in the towel during competition.OK

With so many rules how are other fighters supposed to win this thing now? They can’t, this competition is deffenitly not style vs style anymore

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BTW: Fishhooking is when you put your finger(s) into your opponents mouth and pull (like a fish getting hooked). I think that one was added because Tank Abott used it (along with trying to throw the opponent oput of the ring).

Ironically, kicking to the kidney with the heel was a move Royce Gracie used often from the guard in the early UFC’s.

I had heard (RUMOR ALERT) that someone he used that on in one of the events had blood in his urine after the show. I can’t back that statement up with any proof though, so feel free to disregard it if you like.

Could be true that happened to my sifu when he was in shotokan.

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See UFC matches are all fixed. Just like Tank said.

The small joint manipultion and the no hitting the guy while he’s on all fours is by far the biggest fix. Hitting with the elbow point is too effective against an exposed head to be allowed. Grabbing the clavicle or stiking any nerve point would make it very difficult stay close.

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What’s this?

“Timidity, including, without limitation, avoiding contact with an opponent, intentionally or consistently dropping the mouthpiece or faking an injury.OK”

OK?

I can see the faking injury and dropping mouth peices, but timidity? Avoiding direct confrontation is a “Classic” Kung Fu stratigy. How do the judges know your not playing a plan to draw your opponent in?

Example, an opponent charges, and you avoid, avoid and avoid untill he’s over extended, then your change tactics and go on the offence, wile he is in “emptyness”.

Also, on second thought, faking an injury “Could” be used strategically to draw your opponent in , where you want him too, and “could” be considered another “Classic” Kung Fu stratigy falling under the use of “Tricks” and “Deception” techniques commonly used in Kung fu systems.

“Holding the ropes or the fence. Ok”

Also, what wrong with this? Aren’t Ninja types SUPOSED to use thier surroundings in a fight? Does’nt this limit the use of THEIR systems too?

A fight is a fight, and the world is full of fences, why NOT use them in the octogon?

“Throwing in the towel during competition.OK”

Wait, another stupid rule!! What if your fighter is getting killed? It’s ok for boxers to throw in the towel for the atlete’s saftey, why not here?

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why is faking an injury not allowed? You could sucker someone in with that. Oh wait a minute, I forgot, this is reality fighting. haha.

You guys need to remember the fights need to be entertaining enough to watch. This means that some techs need to be banned.

Elbow points are entertaining. :cool:

Just joking, I’m assuming you’re referring to the evading combat thing. However, to the lay person, spending ten minutes locking on some bjj technique is not exactly lightning paced action, but you don’t see any limits on that.

LOL…the first 3 UFC’s had all very few rules…unfortunately…the POLITICIANs stepped in and cause alottttttttttttttttttt of problems…now u have the water down UFC.

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Funny how a lot of these techniques were not banned until Royce quit attending. I seem to remember him using hair pulling ALL THE TIME! In fact, I believe that was how he managed to sink the choke on Kimo.

Reality my @ss.

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I don’t really have any problem with UFC, I just think too many people confuse it with a true fight. I mean, if someone shoots for me, they get the elbow, and if I get a chance, I’m definitely going to chin na someone into a downward elbow and try to finish the fight.

However, I recognize that people would be dying/crippled left and right without some rules, I just wish people would realize the limitations of these competitions. Of course, I think I’m mostly preaching to the choir here, as most of the (experienced) grapplers/noholds barred fighters on this forum are fully aware of the advantages and limitations of these competitions.

You have to remember, the first UFC’s did not have those rules. UFC 1-4 only had the following rules:

  1. No eye gouges
  2. No fish hooking

Everything else was allowed, so it did do a fairly good job of showcasing one art against another art. Also, a couple other early NHB competitions were the same way, including Superbrawl, Extreme fighting, world combat championships, and of course, international vale tudo. Its only really been in the past couple years that we’ve seen so many rules and restrictions.

makeing all other things equal…

What I want to see in these matches is more refined striking ability. Their is no doubting power in what they are doing now. These guys train their cheeks off. But, all too often you see nothing more than haymakers and bowlers as token to a shoot. Here an d there you see some cool handwork but it’s few and far between.

Perhaps the players in todays venues just need more time. Some of these guys haven’t trained for that long. It does take a few years for the understanding of boxing to sink in. The older f olks on the board will relate to this. Also concidering that it comes second in their training, it might take still more time.

I’m NOT taking away from those around that can do well with hands. But some can stand a bit of improvement.

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[This message was edited by MaestroAbel on 10-05-01 at 03:52 PM.]

The intention of this post was to show those “reality” guys who say kungfu and other arts other than BJJ, Muay Thai and the other favored MMA techs don’t work that the UFC and NHB competitions in general have MANY restrictions. I don’t see these fights as being any more realistic than kickboxing, san shou, Koushu lei tei etc. The UFC was created to showcase BJJ in the begining anyway. Also I noticed that these rules eliminate most anti grappling techniques and finishing movements of alot of styles that aren’t ground based like BJJ creating the illusion that groundfighting is superior.

Throwing in the towel means you loose, fakeing an injury is not productive during a competition since the ref will stop the fight to check you. That’s why I agree with that rule, holding the fence? I don’t really have an opion on that

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Just wondering

Lets look at the rules that you noted

Butting
Groin Attacks
Small joint manipulation
Striking to the spine or the back of the head
Striking downward using the point of the elbow
Throat strikes of any kind, including, without limitation, grabbing the trachea
Clawing, pinching or twisting the flesh
Grabbing the clavicle
Kicking the head of a grounded opponent
Stomping a grounded opponent
Kicking to the kidney with the heel
Spiking an opponent to the canvas on his head or neck.

I’m just wondering, how many of these techniques are allowed in SanShou / Kyoushu or kick boxing


Butting with the head. What!?! I see so you have to grapple to get out of the guard.


  • Well, if someone has a bad/sloppy guard (unlike the master Royce ;)), you will see people actually punch their way out of it. If they can sit back on their haunches, and the guy is still trying to maintain a closed guard, and not going for a sweep, then you’ve got some good distance, as well as some open targets for things like punches, knifehands, and palm strikes/slaps

Groin attacks of any kind. Disservice to strikers


  • Watching Joe Sun take 5-6 groin shots was more than enough for me to agree with this. BTW, he lost to a very sloppy thug style choke, not the groin shots :eek:
    Small joint manipulation. Why?

Striking to the spine or the back of the head. This severly limits defence other than grappleing for the shoot


  • Back when this was allowed, you never saw anyone successfully strike these targets to stop the shoot, although many have tried. I personally like this rule, because the grapplers are no longer allowed to hammer on the back of your head when they take the back mount. I would be screwed if this were allowed (I turtle a lot :D)

Striking downward using the point of the elbow.This severly limits defence other than grappleing for the shoot


  • I think they put this in after so many guys were suffering some serious injuries from these strikes (Big Daddy busting Paul Herrera’s eye socket, and some other guys suffering concussions). BTW, the Muay Thai/Praying Mantis/Kung Fu type slashing or spinning elbows still appear to be legal, unless I’m missing something.

Throat strikes of any kind, including, without limitation, grabbing the trachea. Isn’t that a kind of choke, oh it’s not one usually used by BJJ stylist


  • Joe Son lost to that treachea grab choke. I think there’s a danger of the windpipe collapsing due to these types of strikes/grabs. I’m not sure, though. I know I would personally aim for the sides of the neck still. No rule against that.
    Clawing, pinching or twisting the flesh. This is heavily used in Kungfu, why is it illeagal? So nobody will get hurt?

Grabbing the clavicle. Why?


  • Yeah that one bothers me too. Not that it would be a fight decider, it’s just that I would be using that one like a clavicle grabbing fiend. Are there too many breaks to keep that in? I wonder. They don’t limit striking the clavicle, which I would consider more dangerous.

Kicking the head of a grounded opponent. Ah so you have to go to the ground to finish your oppenant instead of standing


  • Or wait for the to stand back up and take another beating from a stand up guy :slight_smile: I’m sure this is another safety rule to protect the fighters. Not to limit the strikers.

Kneeing the head of a grounded opponent.
Stomping a grounded opponent. Ah so you have to go to the ground to finish your oppenant instead of standing


  • I’m guessing same as above.

Spiking an opponent to the canvas on his head or neck. Purpose of Chinese style throws? To throw the opponent to the ground on his head neck etc to cause injury


  • Igor Zinoviev almost had his career ended when Frank Shamrock slammed him on his neck, or shoulder. I think that’s just too dangerous for a forum to test skills. I think this hurts Greco-Roman wrestling just as much, but still, c’mon they’re still people in the octagon. Let’s have some compassion people :slight_smile:

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Article 1 Participating fighters are not categorized on the basis of body weight.

Article 2 Fighters should wear open-finger-gloves that were provided by sponsors.

Article 3 Fighters are allowed to wear wresting singlet, kneecaps, elbow pads, shin guards, sticking plasters, or ankle supporters. The guards and pads mentioned above must be checked by referee. Fighters must wear mouthpiece and foul cups. Fighters must not use sticking plasters and bandages over fists. Fighters who use sticking plasters must be checked by referee before starting the match.

Article 4 Fighters must not apply anything on the surface of the body (oil, Vaseline, pain reliever, massage cream, hair-dressing, etc.).

Article 5 Fighters are prohibited from any types of kicks when they wear shoes during the match.

Article 6 A ring should be a seven-meter square, which is approved by the sponsors.

Article 7 Duration of a match is 15 minutes, scoring one positive point. In the case of a draw or neither side is decided to be win by judge after fifteen minutes, the match goes into another fifteen minutes. The extra rounds will be continued until either side wins. The interval between the rounds is two minutes.

Article 8 Victory or defeat is decided by the following conditions;
8.1. Ippon
Intention of giving up or losing one’s fighting spirit is expressed orally or tapping opponent or the mat three times or more.
8.2. Technical Knockout

8.2.a. Referee stop

In case that the referee sees that one side completely dominates another, and that the inferior side may fall in danger.

8.2.b. Doctor stop

In case that one side gets injured by fair blows of the opponent and cannot continue the match, his opponent will be declared winner. It is the ring doctor who will be the one to decide whether the fighter can continue or not. In case that the injury was made by illegal actions, the one who commits these actions will be declared loser.

8.2.c. Forfeited match

In case that second of either side throws a towel in the ring during the round. If the referee does not notice this, it is the judges who stop the match.
8.3. Decision

Decision is made by three judges. Decision is made according to the damage given to the opponent, combination & ground control, down-taking & defense, aggressiveness and weight (in case that the weight difference is 10kg or more). (Match may end in a draw.)
8.4. Disqualification

A “warning” may be given when a fighter commits an illegal action or does not follow referee’s instruction. Three warnings make fighter disqualified.
8.5. No contest (Invalid match)

In case that the both sides commit violation of the rules, or that the judges and sponsors decide that the match cannot be continued due to contingent matters.
Article 9 Following act is regarded as illegal action. When fighter commits any of these illegal actions, he will be given a “warning” from referee. Warning will be considered negative points at making decision of the match. Three warnings make a fighter disqualified. Furthermore, the fighter who commits an illegal action must be imposed ten percent of the fight money per a warning as a penalty to the promoter.

9.1. Biting

9.2. Throwing something into the eyes

9.3. Butt

9.4. Attacking the groin

9.5. Grasping hair

9.6. Hard blows to occipital region of head, medulla oblongata, and spinal cord. (Occipital region of head indicates the back of head, and that does not indicate the side of head or around ears.)

9.7. Elbow blow to head and face.

9.8. To hold the rope and to stay holding it purposely. Fighters must not hang an arm or a leg on the rope purposely. Hanging an upper arm is an immediate caused of warning.

9.9. Escaping out of the ring.

9.10. Throwing the opponent out of the ring.

9.11. Kicking or knee kicking to the head or the face of the opponent who falls on his face. (Fighters are prohibited from blowing against the face and the head when four or more positions of the following places touch the mat; both hands, both legs, both elbows, or both knees.)
Article 10 In case that a fighter gets severe damage by illegal actions, the round resumes after enough time of break for the sufferer to recover at the discretion of referee and ring doctor. When ring doctor decides the match cannot be continued based on the conditions stipulated in the article 8-2, the fighter who commits the illegal actions will be declared disqualification.
Article 11 In case that both fighters are about to fall from the ring, the referee calls out “Stop. Don’t move.” The fighters must immediately stop their movements and must be pulled back to the center of the ring as they were in the movement. They resume the fight at the referee’s call.
Article 12 In case that either fighter goes out of the ring, he must immediately return to the ring, and resume the round in the standing position at the center of the ring.
Article 13 In case that a fighting is stopped in the standing position, or that one fighter is in the ground position (lies on the back) and the other is in the standing position and be at a deadlock, referee may calls out the break at his discretion.
Article 14 Fighters and seconds are demanded absolute obedience to referee’s decision and instructions
Article 15 Fighters may be accompanied by up to three seconds. The seconds must stay at their corner during the match. They must not directly touch fighters during the match. In case that any of them violates any of these rules, they must be imposed ten percent of the fight money per a warning as a penalty to the promoter.
Article 16 Fighters must see the doctor before the match on the day at the venue.

Special Rules

Special rules of the final at PRIDE GP2000
Ã…E Duration of a round for second qualifying and semi-final is fifteen minutes, and extra rounds will be continued until either side wins.
Ã…E Duration of a round for the final is twenty minutes, and extra rounds will be continued until either side wins.

  • As for the match that Royce Gracie fights, decisions by judges are not considered as Gracie side requested. As for the other matches, results are decided by decision at every round as they were already done as in the opening matches.
  • As for the match that Royce Gracie fights, only when a fighter who taps or whose second throws a towel in the ring is declared loser, and referee stop and doctor stop are not considered.
  • At the final, the decision by judges is not earned even if Royce Gracie does not appear. In case of the final without Royce Gracie, referee stop and doctor stop are considered.
  • As for the matches without Royce Gracie, in case that a fighting is stopped in the ground position and be at a deadlock, referee may calls out the break at his discretion, only on condition that the weight difference is 10kg or more.

Except for article 9.7 which I do disagree with is there anything here that is legal in SanShou/ Koushu or kickboxing

“Throwing in the towel during competition.OK”

Wait, another stupid rule!! What if your fighter is getting killed? It’s ok for boxers to throw in the towel for the atlete’s saftey, why not here?

RD:
They’re basically saying your fighter would be disqualified, ending the fight. Or something like that. I guess they had to find a way to throw it in there, so people know about it.

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