F*CK IT
Brad Souders
Think about how much “mixed martial arts” would change if the eyes and groin were made a valid target?
one good hit to the eyes, and it doesnt matter if your tito ortiz, you cant make your eyes tough!
Oh dear.
Here we go again.
While you can not make your eyes hard, you can make you groin hard. Just look at master tu.
Think about how much “mixed martial arts” would change if the eyes and groin were made a valid target?
Actually, the groin was a valid target in earlier incarnations, and still is in some places overseas. I will note that the only person I ever saw succumb to groin shots was Joe Son–a person of questionable ability.
As for the rest Ging Mo, two thumbs down. True, in and of itself, but hardly “the answer.”
BTW, I believe Brad was writing “anti-grappling,” as in “how to counter grappling,” not ANTI-grappling 
I’ve been hiding for months, I come back and we’re still talking the same old sh!t.
Maybe I should leave it another few months.
BS…
Originally posted by Ging Mo Fighter
one good hit to the eyes, and it doesnt matter if your tito ortiz, you cant make your eyes tough!
Eye and groin hits are not the sure thing that most people think they are. Yes, there is a possiblity that you might stop someone with an eye or groin shot. However, when the adrenaline is flowing, it’s not likely.
I have received both eye and groin shots that were serious enough to put me in the hospital. However, during the time of the fight, they had almost no effect.
CMA people always talk about how they would have an edge if eye shots, groin kicks, pinching, etc was legal in competition. But they just forget that the MMA fighters also will be able to do these things, and then they will lose anyway.
Just an observation.
Originally posted by Ging Mo Fighter
[B]Think about how much “mixed martial arts” would change if the eyes and groin were made a valid target?
one good hit to the eyes, and it doesnt matter if your tito ortiz, you cant make your eyes tough! [/B]
Actually, I talked to Royce about this the last time I saw him (seriously) He told me that eye gouges were legal in the early tournies. You would get a penalty, but would be allowed to continue. So, if I eye gouged someone and he couldn’t fight anymore, I’d get penalized, bit I’d still win because he couldn’t continue.
However, think about it seriously… the grappler is actually the one who would benefit most from using an eye gouge. the striker will have to worry about head movement, blocking, etc. - it’s hard to hit the eyes of a moving opponent who doesn’t want you to hit them. If the grappler has you on the ground and contained, your movement is limited, and he is much closer to you, making it easier for him to gouge your eyes.
Bad troll attempt, by the way…
MMA fighters also will be able to do these things, and then they will lose anyway.
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What do MMA guys do that is so different than us anyway? They work striking, we work striking, they work throws & take downs we work throws & take downs. They fight inside, we fight inside. We learn about distance, timming and footwork, they learn about distance timming and footwork. We do cardio, they do cardio, we do strength & flexibility work, they do strength and flexibility work. We condition, they condition, They ground fight, we ground fight.
Now granted, our version of “Ground Fight” is often not much more than a full weighted kneed drop to an easily breakable area generally taking advantage of the momentum of the throw followed by a couple of follow up strikes and bouncing back to our feet asap, and they prefer to be gentile about it and choose to go for submissions instead of brutal mamings like we do, but still all the elements are there in both games. I think it’s the fighter personally, and how hard and extensively he trained.
I’d hardly call what Mark Kerr used to do to people “genteel”
groin shots are probably one of the most overrated strikes in the game. A little adrenaline goes a long way towards making groin shots a null point.
Brad, good stuff, however I believe you could have stuck with the first paragraph and had an excellent point. The rest is just icing on the cake.
good stuff B…
Brad does all that work and get burried by an ‘eye gouge’… KFO at its finest…
Good article Brad… I don’t know if I completely agree with you on all points, but I like the general gist thus far and the examples using fighters.
RD, there training contains a lot of what others do, but how they do it is usually different, getting them someplace else in a different amount of time so to speak.
I’d hardly call what Mark Kerr used to do to people “genteel”
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How many of his opponents ended up with crushed lower rib cages, broken necks or dammaged Kidneys? Kung Fu ground work, works by maiming the opponent. if you don’t go that far, then it’s like you did nothing at all. It’s like a bullet in a gun, if you aim, but don’t pull the trigger, it doesn’t work. If you were to follow through fully, your going to main people, and noone wants to do that. The fighters don’t want to injure thier opponents that severly, the promoters don’t want it so much most competitons outlaw intentionally hurting your opponent, and the spectators will cry foul and accuse the guy doing the maiming of having bad “Sportsmanship” or out right cheating.
Seriously, Mark Kerr, may have used quite a few “Pain” submissions in his day, and possibly accidentally broke an elbow on rare occasion, but his techniques are designed to submitt, NOT break, and maim. Kung Fu is desgned to crush, maim and break.
I sense a sport vs reality thing coming on…
For me personally it is just about context. If you are training for a sport then you should train apropriately, same with “reality”. Either way I don’t think either category is excludes the possibilities in striking or ground work.
My friend to make this a complete have nothing to do with the topic u should have thrown in about multiple attackers.
Everyone from a “pro” fighter to your average street thug knows how to hit the nuts and eye gouge. U act like these weapons are secret techniques. When i waz reading my rules of street fighting hand book last night they even showed a drunk slob eye gouging someone as he fell into him.
A few minor adjustments in training for a “mma” guy would fix problems like these. Turn the hip sideways when clinching limits groin shots. When clinching keep your head high and near the opponents neck to limit his reach on your eye level.
Hell i have no idea what this has to do with my article but i’m always up for good discussion.
Tonight i’ll create a thread on a bar fight i had a couple months ago and i want everyone to analyze and discussion the event so we can all learn from mistakes i already know happened.
Later, Brad
Hell i have no idea what this has to do with my article …
u been here long enuff… you should know better…
OK RD, whatever you say.
Rent an IVT with Mark Kerr in it.
Kung Fu is brutal blahblahblah.
Yah happy?
Merryprankster,
You got it wrong, I’m not saying “Kung Fu is brutal Ha ha ha ha haaaa (Evil laugh)”, I’m saying MMA ground fighting is NOT brutal.
Injuries are rare, and usually minor. It’s all Pain compliance stuff from some sort of pin. It’s a submission because it “Hurts” to much to continue, or your “Afraid” of a potential injury, NOT a failure to continue because your too damm busted up to function anymore because some guy just did a full weighted knee drop on your lower rib cage and caved it in thus puncturing your right lung after throwing you down hard enough on the concret to knock the wind out of you.
THAT is the difference between real Kung Fu and MMA. Intentionally maiming your opponent is pretty much illegal in any event, but just a matter of not holding back so much in a real fight if your trained in a legit Kung Fu system.