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In the Works.
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8 Hard Ways
The Eight Hard Ways (Ba Gong Sao)
(Taken from authenickungfu.com Webpage)
“Mountain Tai Falls On The Inscense Burner”
(Chopping Down Motions)
“Punching Straight To The Face”
(Straight Forward Motions)
“Advancing Body With Double Palms”
(Double Palm Motions)
“Sticking And Elbowing Hard”
(Upward and Downward Elbow Breaking Motions)
“Sticking To The Door Leaning Hard”
(Ramping Techniques)
“Strike Hard Above And Kick Below”
(Illusive Techniques)
“Left and Right Hooking Attacks”
(Confusing Techniques)
Ref:
(C) -Cantonese
(R) -Mandarin
8 Hard Ways
Hi BeiTanglang,
Great Start with the 8 Hard.
There are a few thoughts that I would like to share.
<<<The Eight Hard Ways (Ba Gong Sao)
(Taken from authenickungfu.com Webpage)>>>
I think the term Ba Gang Shou (R) would refer to actual techniques; while Ba Gang Fa (R) would refer to principle. Arguable, we could apply fussy logic in this case. I feel Ba Gang Shou would give a much more precise meaning to the group of techniques that followed although Ba Gang Fa would better fit the bracketed explanations, which are principle oriented.
<<<1. Tai San Ngat Ding (C)
“Mountain Tai Falls On The Inscense Burner”
(Chopping Down Motions) >>>
Tai Shan Ya Ding - Mount Tai Press upon the crown
I like the explanation in principle (pun intended). I also prefer to express this as:
Principle :- Heavy strike that of a chopping down or sling shot motion to the high line (ie the head).
technical :- Attack with Hammer fist or back fist to the vital area(s) of the head. [see “Ba Da Ba Bu Da”]
Note: back fist (beng chui) that sling shot to the head is known as “small mount Tai press upon the crown” Xiao Taishan Ya Ding.
I think the following ones can use the same format. It could be even more elaborate if we add in references to the 8 strike and 8 forbiden strike area(s). I love to hear the feed back on whether this format is clear enough before spending time on the rest of the material.
<<<Ref:
(C) -Cantonese
(R) -Mandarin>>>
That’s handy. Thanks BeiTangLang.
Mantis108
Super job
Keep it up, this is great.
Dictionary
Thought this might be of some usefulness to those working on this project:
The Wolfe Dictionary of Chinese Martial Art Terms
A B C D E F G H I J K LM N O P Q R S T U V X Y Z
Thanks goes to David Brent Wolfe for providing this online dictionary to the public.
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Northern praying mantis
four methods of attacking
chui - punching
ti - kicking
na - grappling
shuai - throwing
stepping - bu
qima bu - horse riding step
dengshan bu - hillclimb step
kuahu bu - striding tiger step
qixing bu - seven star step
ruhuan bu - kneeling step
fangong bu - reverse bow step
yuanhou bu - monkey step
duli bu - hang leg step
niu bu - twist step
tunchang bu - engulfing step
che bu - withdraw step
jin bu - advancing step
gai bu - change up step
xie bu - angle step
tou bu - stealing step
dengyong bu - stride step
tiao bu - jumping step
da zhuan bu - large turning step
punching methods - chui fa
bu chui - filling punch
zhi tong chui - straight gathering punch
feng tong chui - grab gathering punch
quan chui - circle punch
beng chui - backfist punch
tiao tong chui - carry gathering punch
cai tong chui - pluck gathering punch
shi zi chui - cross punch
di qian chui - low drag punch
pang chui - bladder punch
ding qi chui - penetrate navel punch
lan chui - collesting punch
fanche chui - wheel punch
lulu chui - rumble punch
shuang zhuang chui - double strike punch
gua shou tong chui - hang hand straight punch
jie chui - stop punch
pi chui - split punch
wodu chui - stomach punch
tou xin chui - steal mind punch
chuan chui - penetrating punch
di sao chui - low sweep punch
gai ma chui - hidden horse punch
lan ma chui - grasp horse punch
dan bian chui - single whip punch
lan chui - hindering punch (grasping punch)
cuo chui - file punch (uppercut)
Palm methods - zhang fa
cha zhang - thrust palm
qi zhang - level palm
pie zhang - skim palm
fan zhang - returning palm
lou zhang - leaking palm
ying mian zhang - thrust at face palm
tiao zhang - carry palm
tun zhang - stamp palm
shuang tun zhang - double stamp palm
gun zhang - rolling palm
qie yao zhang - chop waist palm
fan tian yin - overturn heaven stamp
lian huan cuo zhang - continues file palm
mo pan zhang - millstone palm
jin bu shuang zhang - advancing double palm
lian huan tun zhang - continues stamp palm
leg methods - tui fa
cun tui - short leg
ga tui - stop leg
heng deng tui - side kicking leg
chuan xin tui - piercing leg
bi men tui - close door leg
jiu tui - seizing leg
quan jiao - circle foot
bei ti tui - rear kicking leg
pu tui - pouncing leg
shi zi tui - cross leg
gua tui - hang up leg
bai lian tui - outside swing leg
deng pu tui - splitting leg
fan shen tui - turning inside swing leg
dan fei tui - single flying leg
shuang fei tui - double flying leg
lian huan tui - continuous legs
xuan feng tui - tornado leg
sao tang tui - front sweep leg
hou sou tui - rear sweep leg
wo zhan tui - lie down & turn leg
cheng gong tui - successful leg
hand methods - shou fa
diao shou - hook hand
lou shou - grappling hand
feng shou - grab hand
gou lou cai shou - hook grapple pluck hand
gua shou - hang hand
zhan shou - adhering hand
tiao shou - lifting hand
gun shou - rolling hand
lou shou - leaking hand
tou shou - stealing hand
chan si shou - rapping silk hand
chuan suo shou - shuttle hand
hei hu tou xin - black tiger steals the mind (heart)
kou bu zhan yao - strike step the waist
yin yang shou - negative and positive hand
kua bu hu shou - stride step curve hand
yan qing po shou - green sparrow break hand
bu chan - catching cicada
finger methods - zhi fa
qu yan - take the eyes
jin hou - golden throat
zhua mian - claw the face
eight elbows - ba zhou
die zhou - folding elbow
shen zhou - sinking elbow
guai zhou - entrapping elbow
nian zhou - adhering elbow
zhuang zhou - colliding elbow
shuang ti zhou - double raising elbow
pan zhou - coiling elbow
ding zhou - head elbow
I found this list:
It’s interesting, my Shifu always refers to the four attack methods as: dian (attack pressure points), da (hit=kick, punch, elbow, slap, etc.), shuai (throw), and na (grab).
Here are a few notes and terms from my teachings… the 12 CHARACTERS
and our long and short foot work from 8 step
BA TUN BU ( 8 LONG STEPS )
1.BA BU – ( LONG LEAPING STEP ) FLYING FOOTWORK
2.CHANG BU – ( LONG STEP ) AT AN ANGLE
3.DAI BU - ( CROSS STEP ) SIDEWAYS
4.RU WAN BU – ( FAKE STEP ) IN ONE DIRECTION MOVE ANOTHER
5.NUO BU – ( CIRCULAR STEP ) SIDEWAYS CIRCULAR FAKING MOTION
6.CAUN BU – ( JUMPING DODGING STEP ) EVADING A PUNCH
7.XING BU – ( RETREATING STEP ) ZIG ZAG SKIP BACKWARD
8.TUO BU – ( FORWARD STEP ) FOLLOW WITH SAME FOOT STEP
BA CHING BU ( 8 SHORT STEPS )
1.HEN YE BU – ( SIDE STEP ) DEFENSIVE STEP TO AVOID A PUNCH
2.SAN JIAO BU – ( TRIANGLE STEP ) 3 PART FORWARD STEP MOTION
3.FANG XING BU –( SQUARE STEP ) DODGING FORWARD & BACKWARD
4.MEI HUA BU – ( FIVE CORNER STEP ) STEP AROUND OPPONENT
5.LIU XING BU – (TWO TRIANGLE STEP) POINTED OPPOSITE DIRECTION
6.QI XING BU – ( 7 STAR STEP ) FORWARD TRIANGLE
7.ZOU ZHAN BU – ( 3 STEP ) FOLLOW FOOT 3 STEP FORWARD & BACK
8.BA GUA BU – ( 8 CHANGING STEP) TURNING IN A CIRCULAR FASHION
Here are some terms taken from the WHF version of the White Ape Steals the Peach set with the Chinese characters and the Mandarin pronunciations:
Stances
Deng Shan - Ascend the Mountain
Ru Huan - Enter the Ring
Che Bu - Withdraw Step
Zong Bu - Trace Step
Kua Hu - Straddle the Tiger
Hand Techniques
Gua Tong Chui - Hang Gathering Strike
Feng Tong Chui - Seal Gathering Strike
Tiao Tong Chui - Carry Gathering Strike
Dan Bi Zhao - Single Arm Claw
Fan Che Shi - Wheel Pattern
Chuan Suo Shi - Shuttle Pattern
Pi Ya - Splitting Stop
Pi Quan - Splitting Circle
Cuo Chui - Uppercut Strike
Yang Pang - Admire Arm
Heng Quan - Horizontal Circle
Nian Zhou - Sticky Elbow
Leg Techniques
Ti Tui - Kick Leg
Cheng Tui - Prop Up Leg
Da Bai Lian - Big Swinging Lotus
Continuous Legs
Shuang Fei Tui - Double Flying Legs
Richard A. Tolson
now shirkers or mooyingmantis what do some of these look like i dont reall have an idea either they are from youre guys’s replys up above ??? well some of them i’ve got an idea but can you guys give me a better understanding ?:rolleyes:
Hey Moonyingmantis,
Thanks for the character upload it makes it a lot easier to understand the meaning that’s being implied.
Definitely appreciated, ill see if I can contribute some aswell.
Ba Zhou of Tai Ji Tang Lang Quan terminology:
wéi huà bì zhu encircle return/circle arm elbow
pán zhu coil elbow
gér zhu diaphragm elbow
bì zhu arm elbow
p zhu rushing elbow
ch zhu piercing elbow
bĂ o zhu hold/carry elbow
lĂłng zhu dragon elbow
fng zhu closing/sealing elbow
pĂ» zhu filling/mending elbow
zi zhu falling elbow
dun zhou stamping/bowing elbow
Thought this might interest someone!
Here is the terminology we use at my school in North Canton, Ohio:
Dio Fa Wicked Methods
Zho Fa Claw Methods
rising claw (ji zhao)
sweeping claw (sao zhao)
circling claw (quan zhao)
smashing claw (bung zhao)
colliding claw (chong zhao)
piercing claw (chuan zhao)
Gu Fa Hook Methods
hook hand (gou shou)
catch cicada (bu chan)
wrap silk (chan si)
neck hook (xiang gou)
lower hook (di gou)
double hooks (shuang gou)
Hey Richard nice to see your still active. how you doing my friend.
regards roy:D
Still Training
Hey Roy,
Yep been spending more time training and translating and less time posting on forums. ![]()
snap.LOL just so much to train. glad to hear your well Richard.![]()
I saw this thread and decided to add some of the details I know. Below are some of the concepts for 7PM. The romanizations for everything are Yale Cantonese as I find it the easiest to maintain correct pronunciation. Cantonese also stays true to the 7’s Hong Kong lineage.
IMPORTANT: Do not read too much into the English translations. I wrote them in a manner that would be easiest for me to remember what they are, but they are not fully encompassing of the principle they describe. I truly feel that in order to completely describe the principle you’d need to write pages of text!
- Sahp Yih Yà uh Sáu - 12 Soft Principles
1 - - Gin Gng Yìh Wúi Sáu - Yield the right of way to the hard
2 - - Yahp Sáu Yìh Tà u Sáu - Steal the beat from the advancing opponent
3 - - Jiht Sáu Yìh Kwà n Sáu - Intercept and empty
4 - - Kwà n Sáu Yìh Lahu Sáu - Slipping around and through the defenses
5 - - Jihk Tóng Yìh Àu Sáu - Attach the hook to straight attacks
6 - - Choà Sáu Yìh Yahp Sáu - Advance immediately after contact
7 - - Láu Sáu Yìh Jeun Sáu - Attack while simultaneously dragging
8 - - Hahp Sáu Yìh Yahp Sáu - Pressing to the outside and advance
9 - - Pok Sáu Yìh Yahp Sáu - Pressing downward and advance
10 - - Tìu Sáu Yìh Yahp Sáu - Lifting and advance
11 - - Hoì Sáu Yìh Dihp Sáu - Stacking the arms
12 - - Jìm Sáu Yìh Po Sáu - Stick to and break the attack (Chin Na)
- Baat Gng Sáu - 8 Hard Principles
1 - - Taai San Ngaat Déng - Falling Attacks
2 - - Yìhng Mihn Jihk Túng - Straight Attacks
3 - - Seuhn Bouh Sung Jéung - Double Palms & Body Move in Sync
4 - - Dihp Jáu Ngaahng Gng - Elbow Attacks
5 - - Tip MĂąhn Kaau Bk - Stick & Lean Attacks
6 - - Ngaahng Bng Fuhk Di - Illusive Attacks
7 - - JĂł Yauh Sung Wahn - Circular Attacks
8 - - Sui Tyut Léuhng Fn - Separation Attacks
31 Keywords (LKW)
1 - - Àu
2 - - Láu
3 - - ChĂłi
4 - - Gwa
5 - - Dìu
6 - - BĂ ng
7 - - Jìm
8 - - Nìhm
9 - - Tip
10 - - Kaau
11 - - SĂm
12 - - Tèngh Nòh
13 - - Cho
14 - - TĂłng
15 - - Tìu
16 - - FĂąng
17 - - BĂłu
18 - - HyĂąn
19 - - Sai Pek
20 - - Chìhn
21 - - TĂ u
22 - - Lahu
23 - - FĂ an
24 - - DĂng
25 - - BĂłng
26 - - Seui
27 - - Tyut
28 - - TĂ ih
29 - - TĂ ahn
30 - - Tò
31 - - ChĂ u
Perhaps I’ll come back later to add more and also toss on the English translations to the 31 keywords.
Here are a couple Tai Ji Mei Hua Tang Lang Quan terms that I haven’t seen added here yet:
[SIZE=“4”] [/SIZE] awl character fist (zhu zi quan)
[SIZE=“4”] [/SIZE] frame punch (kuà ng chui)
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Perhaps I’ll come back later to add more and also toss on the English translations to the 31 keywords.[/QUOTE]
It has been some time and no one added the translations… I needed the translations and got them at the previously mentioned page www.authentickungfu.com. No work from my side except for Pinyin for those who can’t read characters and copying the stuff together. I was unable to read the cantonese terms but it was at least easy to map them to the correct characters.
ju1 Hook
lou3 Grapple
cai3 Pull
gua4 Block
diao1 Intercept
beng1 Chop
zhan1 Contact
nian2 Cling
tie1 Tag
kao4 Lean
shan3 Dodge
cuo4 Dent
tong3 Straight Forward
tiao1 Ward Off
feng1 Grab
bu3 Supplement
quan1 Circle
shi4 pi1 Powerful Chop
chan2 Wrap
tou1 Filch
lou4 Slip
fan1 Flutter
ding3 Prop
bang3 Topple
sui4 Sieze
lĂĽ3 Strike
ti2 Hang
tan2 Spring
tuo1 Cast Off
qiu1 Sprout
I’m still in search for the characters to the rest of the information provided on authentickungfu.com. Some of the Cantonese (it is Cantonese, isn’t it?) is so hard to understand that I can’t think of a Mandarin character that could sound alike. And the Cantonese romanization also doesn’t seem to be standardized. If I copy the stuff from there to an online Cantonese dictionary, it does not necessarily spit out a translation…
Did anyone translate the stuff there to characters and could provide the information?