Hello,
I recently have read that the late Wong Shueng Leung had a televised match in where he squared off with a fencer using the baat cham do. I’ve been unable to find this clip on the internet, does anyone have a copy of it?
Thanks,
Been looking man. It was on live and had to be stopped as WSL cut him to pieces. Funny thing was the swords were blunt but the dude hacked at them with his sabre and turned them serated. They had to stop as he was bleeding everywhere
Benny,
Did you watch the footage?
B
No, way too young. Asked a few of his students about it.
I heard the same.
Dang, that’s something that I’d love to see 
I think I read it was on the HKTV programme “Enjoy Yourself Tonight” ().
[QUOTE=bennyvt;1038223]Been looking man. It was on live and had to be stopped as WSL cut him to pieces. Funny thing was the swords were blunt but the dude hacked at them with his sabre and turned them serated. They had to stop as he was bleeding everywhere[/QUOTE]
They say people go to car races hoping to see a crash. I hope I not on the same page as them but I’d love to see that footage of Si-Bak WSL myself. 
Sounds incredible, I don’t think people in WCK would fare well against a fencer or escrimador.
Anyone know the name of the fencer?
I mean, if some recall so vividly the result then the name should be remembered also.
[QUOTE=bennyvt;1038223]Been looking man. It was on live and had to be stopped as WSL cut him to pieces. Funny thing was the swords were blunt but the dude hacked at them with his sabre and turned them serated. They had to stop as he was bleeding everywhere[/QUOTE]
That is pretty strange since attacking another’s blade or even hacking is NOT what any decent sabre user would do.
Matter of fact, anyone that has used a sword in any practical way knows NOT to hit and avoid as much as possible, steel on steel.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1038596]That is pretty strange since attacking another’s blade or even hacking is NOT what any decent sabre user would do.
Matter of fact, anyone that has used a sword in any practical way knows NOT to hit and avoid as much as possible, steel on steel.[/QUOTE]
Kinda like with the pole… Focus on the man… Or like the hands… Don’t chase hands…
Well, its easy…any of WSL descendants think they could do the same thing against a decent fencer or escrimador?
[QUOTE=chusauli;1038660]Well, its easy…any of WSL descendants think they could do the same thing against a decent fencer or escrimador?[/QUOTE]
Your comparison uses two dissimilar styles, making the comparison bunk.
The technique/method has some weight, but that’s not the end to all means. The individual matters, as well as the time & quality put into practical training. Doing BCD form is just the baby step.
I know first hand a Wong Shun Leung student who has sparred with a regional fencing champion - successfully. It’s not a mystery - swift footwork and both blades working in unison. But of what use is knowing this to us? If this is something that is important for you to pursue, do it yourself. Living of hearsay and skills of others is not the thing of doers.
Yo!
Shaw
Martial Arts, except in more recent time has been about fighting dissimilar styles.
Can A BJD user defeat a saber or other similar sword?
Dave
[QUOTE=Dave McKinnon;1038718]Shaw
Martial Arts, except in more recent time has been about fighting dissimilar styles.
Can A BJD user defeat a saber or other similar sword?
Dave[/QUOTE]
Pointless comparison.
The competition is not with the sword, but its user.
As far as I heard it was a high ranking HK police man that was a champion. Best to ask david peterson or WKmak could ask cliff as he was still with him. From what I was told every time he would strike wong would block with one and chop/slice with the other.
Most times in sword fighting you are blocking with your swords (not talking vt as I don’t know the knives. Hence needing to sharpen out the nicks. When doing medievil or even kenjitsu we were taught to block with the sword. He wasn’t attacking the swords, he was trying to hit WSL but he was moving and blocking it.WSL’s knives were just a training crappy pair as it was on TV and it was classed as more of an exhibition. The guy got ****ed that he couldn’t get WSL so started to madly hack at him.
And Robert maybe you and your guys couldn’t beat a decent fencer or escrima but we aren’t all like you. Unless you are just saying that to stir **** like you always do. How old are you man. Let me guess you read this stuff and type with one hand on the ah… keyboard.:rolleyes:
I can ask around in and try to get more information on this. But yes, I have heard of this before as well. It was on and i believed that yes the BJD was not sharpened, but upon contact with the fencer more than a few times, it left the BJD serrated. One of the movement during the encounter Sifu WSL did a move that slice the fencer’s arm causing it to bleed. I will ask Cliff or ask Sifu WSL’s sons in regards to this event.
As for whether BJD can beat a decent fencer or Escrima, it should be based on the practitioner itself.
In WSL BJD, the forms are only part of the drill. There are also sparring usage of the BJD. Wooden BJD’s are used to train for applications usage in sparring.
[QUOTE=bennyvt;1038722]As far as I heard it was a high ranking HK police man that was a champion. Best to ask david peterson or WKmak could ask cliff as he was still with him. From what I was told every time he would strike wong would block with one and chop/slice with the other.
Most times in sword fighting you are blocking with your swords (not talking vt as I don’t know the knives. Hence needing to sharpen out the nicks. When doing medievil or even kenjitsu we were taught to block with the sword. He wasn’t attacking the swords, he was trying to hit WSL but he was moving and blocking it.WSL’s knives were just a training crappy pair as it was on TV and it was classed as more of an exhibition. The guy got ****ed that he couldn’t get WSL so started to madly hack at him.
And Robert maybe you and your guys couldn’t beat a decent fencer or escrima but we aren’t all like you. Unless you are just saying that to stir **** like you always do. How old are you man. Let me guess you read this stuff and type with one hand on the ah… keyboard.:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=wkmark;1038727]I can ask around in and try to get more information on this. But yes, I have heard of this before as well. It was on and i believed that yes the BJD was not sharpened, but upon contact with the fencer more than a few times, it left the BJD serrated. One of the movement during the encounter Sifu WSL did a move that slice the fencer’s arm causing it to bleed. I will ask Cliff or ask Sifu WSL’s sons in regards to this event.
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Wkmark, appreciate you asking. I think it’s something all WC people would want to see. WSL was a great representative of WC.
I’ve heard that he also studied the Fu Chen Sung style of bagua. Is this true?