Well for my point the most important would be the origin. If your desciption is not
WC why are you mixing non-WC sayings in. Its not true WC as you always say! -----
Thanks for sharing your view. and what is origin WCK?
Hendrik my questions first
[QUOTE=Yoshiyahu;926338]My Question is
What is Lik?
What is Ren?
What is Jin?
What is Chi?
You said:
My Question is this old chinese tale from a Wing Chun sifu? Is this Wing Chun you are qouting from?
Hendrik said:
Has your Sifu shared this with you Hendrik? If so how does one perfect Lik,Jin and Qi so that they become a part of one’s life and become more and more effortless when one evoke them?
Please share?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Hendrik;926668]Well for my point the most important would be the origin. If your desciption is not
WC why are you mixing non-WC sayings in. Its not true WC as you always say! -----
Thanks for sharing your view. and what is origin WCK?[/QUOTE]
Hendrik answer my questions first..then i will share the origin of WCK…
[QUOTE=Yoshiyahu;926752]Hendrik answer my questions first..then i will share the origin of WCK…[/QUOTE]
If you know the origin of WCK you will certainly not asking the questions you ask me.
I will take that as you dont know as much as you think you know.
Thanks for you candor!
[QUOTE=Yoshiyahu;926877]I will take that as you dont know as much as you think you know.
Thanks for you candor![/QUOTE]
Sure, you are right. Beside argue and want to be right what else do you know ?
[QUOTE=Hendrik;926995]Sure, you are right. Beside argue and want to be right what else do you know ?[/QUOTE]
Lik means Force
Jin means Force
Whats the difference between the two???
From my teachings!!!
Lik is Muscular Force mostly use by Arm strength!
Jin is more of body force utilize or emitted by the waist or hips!
Ging or Jing is known as sperm or life essence. When you jiggle or shake the hips it is said one can dispersed or transmit the sperm into energy. Thus transforming it into chi. An then emitting it as force. I have read and heard this in the past. Not sure how true it is. But thats a theory I have heard of.
You may think Lik and Jin to be different please share your opinion…If you have one please share it simply and briefly for all to read and understand.
Here are some links for you to read hendrik:
http://www.damazen.com/blog/2008/02/09/the-difference-between-using-jing-or-strengthpower-in-wu-shu/
http://www.dragonslist.com/difference_between_using_jing_or_strengthpower_wu_shu
In Wu Shu, Jing and Strength are two different concepts. If a person know how to attack using their entire bodys power focused into just one part of their body, then we say this person know how to Fa Jing, meaning Use Jing. In a fight most people can only use part of their limbs power; i.e. they punch by moving just their arm against their opponent. In Wu Shu we call this kind of partial power/strength Jruo Li or Dull Strength/Power. Everyone has the ability to use Jruo Li when fighting. It is only through special training that someone learns how to Fa Jing in a fight, making Jing is a unique offspring of Chinese Wu Shu. Most of Fa Jings power is generated in the lower limbs.
There is one saying in Tai Chi Chuan that goes like this; Li Fa Yuu Goon, Ju Jai Yuu Yao, Xing Yuu Sou, or The power from the root/feet, controlled from the waist, used by the hand. This explains how to Fa Jing in Tai Chi Chuan.
Lik or Li is partial force.
Ging or Jing or Geng is whole body force.
When utlizing Jing you also use Lik or Li.
Google:
Gung Lik Kune (Strength Building)
Gung Lik
Kung Lek is a romanization of a chinese definition meaning: “Power Generation” and also meaning “Strong Fundamentals”.
It can also be a name of a person and is a name of a Kungfu set. Also known as a “form” or “taolu” and in some circles the Karate terminology is used and it is called a “kata”
the set is called “Kung Lek Kuen” or gongliquan"
Alternate spellings include “Gong Lik” and “gongli” as well as “Kung Lik” ,“Kung li”, “Gungli” and “Gung Lik”
Fa Jing
A sudden surge of chi or energy. It is the main means of striking in internal martial arts such as tai chi. The way in which energy is emitted.
Though completly relaxed the Tai Chi master could send his students flying back several feet by using fa jing.
Additional information on Gung Lik in Wing Chun:
http://www.kamonwingchun.com/FeatureChiSaoSeminar.asp
Additonal Information on Fa Jin
http://www.londonwingchun.co.uk/info.html
So in conclusion one may think of the following as:
Fa Jing (exploding energy/penetrating power)
Gung Lik (hard energy/strength Building)
Cooking sand will never become rice.
[QUOTE=Yoshiyahu;928223]Lik means Force
Jin means Force
Whats the difference between the two???
From my teachings!!!
Lik is Muscular Force mostly use by Arm strength!
Jin is more of body force utilize or emitted by the waist or hips!
Ging or Jing is known as sperm or life essence. When you jiggle or shake the hips it is said one can dispersed or transmit the sperm into energy. Thus transforming it into chi. An then emitting it as force. I have read and heard this in the past. Not sure how true it is. But thats a theory I have heard of.
You may think Lik and Jin to be different please share your opinion…If you have one please share it simply and briefly for all to read and understand.
Here are some links for you to read hendrik:
http://www.damazen.com/blog/2008/02/09/the-difference-between-using-jing-or-strengthpower-in-wu-shu/
http://www.dragonslist.com/difference_between_using_jing_or_strengthpower_wu_shu
Lik or Li is partial force.
Ging or Jing or Geng is whole body force.
When utlizing Jing you also use Lik or Li.
Google:
Gung Lik Kune (Strength Building)
Additional information on Gung Lik in Wing Chun:
http://www.kamonwingchun.com/FeatureChiSaoSeminar.asp
Additonal Information on Fa Jin
http://www.londonwingchun.co.uk/info.html
So in conclusion one may think of the following as:
Fa Jing (exploding energy/penetrating power)
Gung Lik (hard energy/strength Building)[/QUOTE]
Cooking sand will never become rice.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;928243]Cooking sand will never become rice.[/QUOTE]
What does cooking Sand mean?
How can sand something non-edible ever become rice?
Please speak plainly?
Do you disagree with my opinion?
[QUOTE=Yoshiyahu;928298]What does cooking Sand mean?
How can sand something non-edible ever become rice?
Please speak plainly?
Do you disagree with my opinion?[/QUOTE]
It is as plain as , cooking sand can never become rice.
for those who dont know what is Li and Jin, go baisi and learn so that one could avoid cooking sand and expecting rice.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;928379]It is as plain as , cooking sand can never become rice.
for those who dont know what is Li and Jin, go baisi and learn so that one could avoid cooking sand and expecting rice.[/QUOTE]
What is the answer Hendrik?
Please share…
Li is muscular strength…
Jin is power directed by entire body…
what more needs to be said?
Arm Strenght is merely Lik
Utlizing Arm strenght supported by your structure, Stance and Waist power is Jin!
[QUOTE=Yoshiyahu;928390]What is the answer Hendrik?
Please share…
Li is muscular strength…
Jin is power directed by entire body…
what more needs to be said?
Arm Strenght is merely Lik
Utlizing Arm strenght supported by your structure, Stance and Waist power is Jin![/QUOTE]
1, the answer is in my previous post. those who knows know. and if you cant make sense out of my post. you seriously needs a sifu who could lead you in this subject.
2, keeping saying the matra of Jin is this and Lik is that or keep speculate Jin is this and Lik is that is not going to get your any where but blind you and delude you from what is it.
I have stated my opinion on what Lik and Jin is…
Which the purpose of this thread which you created is?
Is it not called
Lik? Jin? what are these stuffs!
I don’t mean to toot my own horn. But meaning and definitions giving as wrong as they may be are very clear and concise and everyone knows what I am saying. Others besides me have criticize your writing style. You lack structure and organization in your writing. I have repeated my definition which you call my mantra…
If you do not wish to summarize your previous post an explain the meaning more clearly instead of saying Basai all day. Then atleast provide a link to your post which actually details the true definition to Lik and Jin…Provide us with the actual number of your Post?
Asked others if they think your post are clear,concised,well organized and present an actual complete thought.
I personally see most of your post as complete jumbled jargon. Except for when your asking a question!
[QUOTE=Hendrik;928391]1, the answer is in my previous post. those who knows know. and if you cant make sense out of my post. you seriously needs a sifu who could lead you in this subject.
2, keeping saying the matra of Jin is this and Lik is that or keep speculate Jin is this and Lik is that is not going to get your any where but blind you and delude you from what is it.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Yoshiyahu;928514]
I don’t mean to toot my own horn. But meaning and definitions giving as wrong as they may be are very clear and concise and everyone knows what I am saying. Others besides me have criticize your writing style. You lack structure and organization in your writing. I have repeated my definition which you call my mantra…
If you do not wish to summarize your previous post an explain the meaning more clearly instead of saying Basai all day. Then atleast provide a link to your post which actually details the true definition to Lik and Jin…Provide us with the actual number of your Post?
[/QUOTE]
Well I think I was the first one to criticize Hendrik and his bad attempts at philosophical writing but even I understand what he’s saying.
He said it a long time ago:
"The strength of water flow which support the flow is lik.
The flow type is Jin. "
Actually IMO it’s what I said in my post that did not survive the system crash. The difference being I didn’t throw in a stupid song and read a half baked fortune cookie. The crash gave Hendrik the chance to post the same **** thing in Chinglish instead of English. Ah well.
Anyway, you asked Hendrik for his definition but he gave it already!
You just keep posting other definitions that agree with you and then say “please share” over and over for some reason.
isnt it interesting that different people sees different things from the same post?
Perhaps, one sees what one likes or hate to see, instead of what is there?
"The strength of water flow which support the flow is lik.
The flow type is Jin. "
So In short this is hendriks answer…Okay got you!
What was your answer?
As for Hendrik what is flow?
What is strength of Water?
[QUOTE=Edmund;928530]Well I think I was the first one to criticize Hendrik and his bad attempts at philosophical writing but even I understand what he’s saying.
He said it a long time ago:
"The strength of water flow which support the flow is lik.
The flow type is Jin. "
Actually IMO it’s what I said in my post that did not survive the system crash. The difference being I didn’t throw in a stupid song and read a half baked fortune cookie. The crash gave Hendrik the chance to post the same **** thing in Chinglish instead of English. Ah well.
Anyway, you asked Hendrik for his definition but he gave it already!
You just keep posting other definitions that agree with you and then say “please share” over and over for some reason.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Yoshiyahu;928638]"
As for Hendrik what is flow?
What is strength of Water?[/QUOTE]
everything is in the previous post, read it again and again until you see it.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;928674]everything is in the previous post, read it again and again until you see it.[/QUOTE]
Please by all means tell me which post?
I don’t mean to toot my own horn.
You have nothing to toot your horn about.
[QUOTE=Yoshiyahu;928638]"The strength of water flow which support the flow is lik.
The flow type is Jin. "
So In short this is hendriks answer…Okay got you!
What was your answer?
[/QUOTE]
Like I said, it was pretty much the same. I can’t remember the exact wording and I don’t really want to split hairs over it. It was something like:
Lik is your strength. You use it to do everything. There’s no negative connotation in the word. Ging (Jin) is any physical skill depending on the context. It’s not always referring to striking or whatever. There’s even Listening Ging and Empty Ging (chi blast).
The point being you are making Ging out to be good and lik to be bad. That would be wrong usage and definitions of the words.