Hi guys - really interesting thread.
I’ve had an interest in Lee Shing for years, all the time that I’ve been involved in Wing Chun in the UK. I believe that what I know comes from Lee Shing, given that Simon Lau is a part of my lineage.
Does anyone know what the relationship was between Simon Lau and Lee Shing? I don’t know Simon Lau, but I believe that he may have studied with Lee Shing, and also with Ip Man in Hong Kong. Can anyone clarify this?
Thanks in advance.
Mark.
Simon Lau
Using standard definition of “studied”, I doubt that Simon Lau studied with Ip Man.
Joy Chaudhuri
Any particular reason for that assertion?
Mark.
[QUOTE=MrBump;813877]Does anyone know what the relationship was between Simon Lau and Lee Shing? I don’t know Simon Lau, but I believe that he may have studied with Lee Shing, and also with Ip Man in Hong Kong. Can anyone clarify this?
Thanks in advance.
Mark.[/QUOTE]
Hey Mark! Thanks for the comments about the thread, I do try and keep things on subject and fortunately just the ‘title’ of this one deters many known trolls lol! Many people seem to dislike the term ‘family’, but I can only hope this is a small minority.
In answer to your question, yes Simon Lau knew Lee Shing and was associated with the Ip Man Martial Arts Athletic Association but I don’t think that he was actually ‘taught’ by any of them. I can confirm this by discussion with some of the elders I know, but I think I’m right here. Having a ‘Sifu’ was a pretty big thing for anyone back then, and I believe Sifu Lau was connected to another source in Foshan from childhood. Similar look in all honesty to Lee Shing family, but most internet info will align Sifu Lau to learning from monks.
Looking online also gives doesn’t me any information that matches what was online a year ago as he has ‘named’ his Sifu on previous sites. Now, on the wcarchive he is listed as Ip Man/Lee Shing, so make from that what you wish.
Some of my Sihings were his students a long time ago, and when we entered the Lee Shing family they were accepted because of his connection to Sifu Lau, so he is obviously held in high regard.
I hope this helps in some way, but I’m sure others may know more… I do have one question:
[QUOTE=MrBump;813877]I believe that what I know comes from Lee Shing, given that Simon Lau is a part of my lineage.[/QUOTE]
What is your ‘Hoi Sik’ (Opening Set)? This would normally identify anyone connected to Lee Shing Family…
Mr. Bump
Lack of evidence. Unless other evidence appears.
joy chaudhuri
That’s great, thanks for the info.
As for opening set, do you mean SLT? It’s very much in the Ip Man vein, although the initial Chi Kung movements terminate in a tarn sau, which doesn’t seem to be present in the Ip Man lineage.
Do you recall what sifu Simon Lau named?
Cheers.
Mark.
Mr Bump
No I’m not referring to your Siu Lim Tao (although if you were a Lee Shing student our Hoi Sik is ‘attached’ to the beginning)
What I’m asking is simple. Do you start all forms with a ‘cross-arm’? If so, this is Ip Man ‘branch’. Lee Shing had his own ‘salutation’.
As for Sifu Laus teachers name, I don’t want to get it wrong so I’ll ask a few people first. You may find it on his newly designed website:
OK, I get you.
Yes, very much the “crossed over arms” at the start of our forms.
Thanks for your insight.
Mark.
[QUOTE=Vajramusti;813904]Using standard definition of “studied”, I doubt that Simon Lau studied with Ip Man.
Joy Chaudhuri[/QUOTE]
From what I have been told Simon Lau claims to have trained with Yip Man alongside Bruce Lee, (he still tries to get away with this Yip Man connection today), this comes from his self promotion in the 70’s and early 80’s, the period when Bruce Lee was actually studying with Yip Man is well before the time Simon states he began his Wing Chun.
I have been told by several of his early students he regularly made these claims, of course back in the early days who was there around to deny him, much in the same way William Cheung and Leung Ting made claims that they were the only true source of Yip Man Wing Chun, only after he died of course.
The past is for the historians to sort out and document, I prefer looking and defining Wing Chun as a science and leave the heritage arguments and ‘who taught who’ in the politics and ego pile.
Though saying that my Wing Chun ‘family’ are important to me, but only in how I can help them, not by trying to feed off them.
As far as Simon’s Lee Shing connection, that was where he met my Sifu who was also a student at the same time. This was around the time when Joseph Cheng who was the main student and Eddie Yeoh, Austin Goh and Nigel Fan were training.
Thanks - again, all very useful.
But I still want to know what he learned and from where…
[QUOTE=tjwingchun;813953]As far as Simon’s Lee Shing connection, that was where he met my Sifu who was also a student at the same time. This was around the time when Joseph Cheng who was the main student and Eddie Yeoh, Austin Goh and Nigel Fan were training.[/QUOTE]
Pretty accurate info given there yet again tj! Missed a few names (like my Sifu lol!), but the earlier generations were not ‘public’ teachers I suppose.
Has anyone ever considered that because Sifu Lau was actually ‘from’ the mainland he ‘had’ to go through Ip Man in order to teach here in the UK. Obviously for this to happen, someone had to vouch for him and maybe that was Lee Shings role. Now I don’t know this for fact, but I have heard it along the way, as it may have been required for most Sifus to be registered in Hong Kong.
Registration, even then, didn’t always mean that you were actually taught by Master Ip Man.
I guess that makes sense to me too…
TJ - who is your sifu, if you don’t mind me asking?
Mark.
Sorry LoneTiger108 only mentioned ones off the top of my head that I knew of , never had the good fortune to meet Joseph but heard a lot about from Sifu, nor Nigel but have met Austin a couple of times and visited Eddie’s Kwoon back in 1985 ish (brain cells not what they used to be). I remember a pleasant day ‘playing’ chi sau, not too much blood flowing, and none mine though lol.
MrBump if you open your eyes you can see below my Sifu’s web site :eek:
Samuel Kwok, I am his most senior UK student still teaching under his association.
Eyes are open.
Thanks very much.
Mark.
[QUOTE=MrBump;813985]Eyes are open.
Thanks very much.
Mark.[/QUOTE]
Your welcome!
By the way if you wish quicker answers my messenger contact in in my profile I believe.
Lee Shing Family @ Seni 2001
To get this thread back on track, I would like to share with you all a small clip of the Jun Mo Wing Chun Demonstration at Seni 2001.
Taken from my Sifus website this demo was put together by Sifu Mans eldest students at the time and was designed to showcase different areas of practice like Forms, Equipment, Interactions and Weaponry. Obviously we knew at the time that many may have difficulty relating to us as a serious Wing Chun school as we dressed in traditional uniforms, set our Siu Lim Tao ‘on top’ of a Wooden Man and showed our equipment like the rattan rings and stick for the first time at a major event. Yes, I said ‘first time’, and this was as late as 2003!
Comments and questions are very welcome…
http://www.junmo.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=55&Itemid=107
(click on ‘Combat Martial Arts - Seni 2001’)
Lone Tiger 108
Thanks for the link and for sharing.
Enjoyed the slt and the stick and rattan demos.
The demos were gracefully done.
joy chaudhuri
Lee Shing Family Event!
Discussions are happening at the moment by three of the eldest Lee Shing students Joseph Man, Austin Goh and Joe Lee in preparation for a small family get together which looks like it will be happening towards the end of May 2009 in Londons Chinatown.
For more info on Lee Shing Wing Chun, or if you would like to book a place at this event please link to www.leeshing.org.uk
Dai Nim Tao
[QUOTE=Vajramusti;814124]Thanks for the link and for sharing.
Enjoyed the slt and the stick and rattan demos.
The demos were gracefully done.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the compliments Joy 
As another point of discussion, I recently caught this clip on Youtube of Sifu Gianfranco Pompianu.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo4afixOv-Q&feature=related
I have rarely seen a student perform the whole set known to Lee Shing Family as Dai Nim Tao and I would welcome any comments.
Personally, I appreciate the form but never thought it to be a secret. I’ve seen it but rarely talked about it. I understand it but can not teach it.
Has anyone here learnt Dai Nim Tao or similar methods/san sik?
Dai Lim Tao & Extra Forms
Do you guys know anything about these other forms? Have you guys ever practice them?
Dai Lim Tao
Wing Chun Fourth Form
Wing Chun Competition Form
Wing Chun Kicking Form
Advanced Siu Lim Tao
What do you think about the other forms?