If there’s anybody who wants to learn Gu Lao (Pien San Kune) Wing Chun Kung Fu and/or Kombatan (Philipine Stickfighting) in Madison WI, leave a message!
Ben
Hi Ben,
I’m currently learning Wing Chun up in La Crosse. I’m not really
interested in learning Gu Lao Wing Chun (at least, not right
yet), but I’ve never seen it and am interested in seeing it
sometime.
Perhaps we can get together sometime and compare notes.
Wing Chun in Madison
Hey Marshdrifter,
I am always interested in exchanging techniques and thoughts.
Would be nice, if we could practice together one time.
Ben
How far from Neena
Hello,
I will be in Neena, WI on business around the end of September or start of October. Most likely a weekend visit but perhaps we could meet up on one of the days I am there.
Peace,
Dave
wing chun in madison
I am open for any kind of martial arts exchange, no matter what style…
Milwaukee Seminar
Hi,
I don’t know how far Madison is from Milwaukee but I will be conducting a TWC seminar in Milwaukee the weekend of July 26th. Anyone interested can call, 248-224-6649.
May i ask pien san, who is your teacher??
Hello,
Good to see another Pin Sun practitioner on the net. Would you be kind enough to provide your lineage? Welcome to KFO!
Leung Jan-Wong Sam-Fung Chun-Fung Chiu-Mui Wai Hun-Me
Regards,
Coming to Milwaukee
Hello,
It looks like I will be in Milwaukee on October 4-6 if anyone would be interested in getting together. Most likely would need to be in the evening. Let me know if anyone is interested.
Peace,
Dave
Wing Chun in Madison
to whom it may concern:-)
Leung Jan - Fung Chun - Lee Shing - Austin Goh - Juerg Ziegler - Me
FWIW - Fung Chun, as Jim pointed out, didn’t learn from Leung Jan but from Leung’s student, Wong Wah-Saam. Last I heard, Lee Shing learned from Fung Chun’s nephew, Fung Sang, and someone named Fong Ming-Yee.
Are you guys separating out your Gulao material now?
BTW - Regards to Jurg.
RR
Thanx for correction, Master Ritchie!!
BTW, why dont you send your regards to Juerg yourself?? www.kungfu.ch
BTW2:
I am not a historian, my aim is Wing Chun. and I dont give a s#$t if it’s pien san, gao lo or whatever. I know the wing chun I learned from GM A. Goh and M J. Ziegler is highly effective, and thats why I do Wing Chun!!
I am so tired of this politics: my wc is better than yours, because I learned from this and that master…blablabla
Re: Wing Chun in Madison
So Austin Goh’s style is Pien San? His structure (from watching him on video- and the streaming clips from his website) has seemed quite different, so this explains a lot.
Originally posted by Pien San Kune
[B]to whom it may concern:-)
Leung Jan - Fung Chun - Lee Shing - Austin Goh - Juerg Ziegler - Me [/B]
Learn to read correctly…
he learned from lee shing, so I guess it’s lee shing wing chun, right?!
plus, what he shows on his videos is not what he really teaches to his students. he doesnt want people to learn only from his videos.
but I better go and practise on my wooden dummy, so maybe, one day I become as good as you guys…
bye
PS: so what does it explain planet wc??
Planet WC & Pien San Kune,
Planet WC,
What Lee Shing taught his people first was Yip Man’s WC with some different flavor/angles. After many many years he then introduced them to Pin Sun WC but for the most part they did it with YM methods which is fine as YMWC was their core. Joseph Lee has a nice article on Rene’s site about their PSWC curriculum but I believe Austin teaches the PSWC in two sets but has the same methods found within. My teacher did this for his public class back in the 70’s and as long as the movements/progression is intact it really doesnt matter much.
Pien San Kune,
Nobody is trying to start WC politics with you. All we asked for was a bit of information on a new person posting on this site. I introduced myself with the hopes to meet another PSWC practitioner and not start what you seem to feel is politics.
For what its worth I have spoken to your teacher (Jurg) many times about his WC and what he preserves as Koo Lo/Pin Sun. Besides him I have been in contact with other Lee Shing pupils such as Joseph Lee. In the UK my friend, Robert Stevens, is training Pin Sun Wing Chun with me and he is also a Lee Shing practitioner with over ten years experience and his sifu Dave Preston is a pupil of Austin.
Just to help you out I will list below your lineage;
Leung Jan-Chan Wah Shun-Ng Chung So-Yip Man & others-Lee Shing-Austin Goh-Jurg Zeigler-You
Leung Jan-Wong Sam-Fung Lim/Min/Chun & Koo Lung-Fung Sang-Lee Shing-Austin Goh-Jurg Zeigler-You
Thanks for the chat and best of luck with your training!
Regards,
PSK - Just Rene is fine. I don’t like politics either and humbly suggest you leave whatever baggage or chips you’re carrying at the door.
Please remember you’re posting on a public board, using the name Pien San Kune, which places some responsibility on you towards that art. Many people may be completely unfamiliar with it, and the clearer the information you provide, the better.
Like Jim, I’ve enjoyed numerous exchanges with Jurg, and always enjoyed them not only for the quality of his skill, but for the quality of his manner as well.
RR
Read what correctly? Your attitude? It’s fairly bristling…
So the clips of Austin Goh in his class in his yellow shaolin outfit with his students rraining in the background is not what they practice but something else?
And the video tapes he sells with him sparring with his students and going from student to student with Muay Thai kicks and boxing gloves is not what he teaches either?
Does that also mean the books he has out aren’t what he teaches either? Did I waste my time buying “The Breaking Power of Wing Chun?”?
Out of curiosity then, what IS he showing then on his video clips, his video tapes and his books?
It explains why Austin’s body mechanics seem to be at odds with other systems. But since you said he isn’t really showing his Wing Chun, I guess it is one of those russian puzzle dolls, with systems inside of systems inside of systems.
Or as Slim Shady might say, “Will the real Austin Goh, please stand up?”
Originally posted by Pien San Kune
[B]Learn to read correctly…
he learned from lee shing, so I guess it’s lee shing wing chun, right?!
plus, what he shows on his videos is not what he really teaches to his students. he doesnt want people to learn only from his videos.
but I better go and practise on my wooden dummy, so maybe, one day I become as good as you guys…
bye
PS: so what does it explain planet wc?? [/B]
I suggest you better meet the real austin goh, before you keep on talkin bout him!!!
Pien San Kune
Despite the lineage wars our art suffers, I know a number of guys practising WC from different lineages here in the UK. Most are pretty friendly regarding other lineages, but I’ve never heard anything good about Austin Goh.
I’ve looked at his website (I haven’t met him in person to talk to), and seen the mpeg footage he shows from his school. Lots of high roundhouse kicks, tag-me sparring and hopping about.
I’m no expert, but I’ve never seen “Wing Chun” like it.
And anyone wearing those yellow robes deserves a little fun poked at them, yes?
Duncan
Load Down,
Some corrections on your lineage chart for you.
1st) It is impossible for Lee Shing to have learned from Chan Wah Shun as Chan Wah was dead before Lee Shing was born.
2nd) Joseph Lee was not from the Fung family. He was a pupil of Lee Shing.
3rd) You mentioned minmal Pin Sun methods from Leung Bik and Fung family. Leung Bik is not part of the Pin Sun Wing Chun family. It was his father who created Pin Sun Wing Chun and Leung Bik has nothing to do with our art.
Hope that helps!
Regards,