Kung Fu's place

kungfu or rather, chinese influenced martial arts are under going the same metomorphasis that is taking shape across the entirety of martial arts.

What you are saying about cma is similar im sure to what many practitioners other various tma’s are saying all around the world.

with the rise of mma over the last several decades, and the utilization of mass communication within the martial arts world, many people are being forced to open their eyes to aspects that their previous studies may have not introduced to them.

this is not to say that all (to stay on topic) cma teachers/practitioners are so far removed from reality that their methods and techniques are useless, rather that as a whole, these people must find where they fit into the over all picture.

the truth about martial arts is and always has been very simple;

you take what there is, you find out what works through testing it, then you practice and keep on testing. this process nevers ends, and there are no limitations. you will always find out something new.

the problem with cma isnt the material, nor the training methods. Plenty of people are on the right track using cma in their games. the problem with cma is with people. with cma having such a long history and cultural fusing, there are just too many aspects.

for instance there is the straight forward combat of cma. this is not stylistic per se, yet at the same time it is. I would place this more onto the school rather than the style. Some schools from the same styles across the globe will NOT be on the same page.

there is the health/spiritual aspect. many people will begin and die in their ma careers seeking only health or spiritual development.

there is the cooky mystic side of cma. (not to be confused with chinese sciences. such as acupuncture, meditation, qi gong etc. these would fall in the spiritual and health section. I refer to the no touch ko’s and the like) a lot of people are retarded. they have mis guided ideas and beliefs that are drawn from a multitude of places. essentially they take what is pure, warp and twist it to suit them.

then there is the contemporary wushu.

With all these aspects of CMA, and all being categorized under that lable ‘KUNG FU’ there is a problem being able to find what some call ‘the real kungfu’ if you get my meaning.

NOW, the thing with kungfu and mma. the way mma is going to utilize kungfu in its arena, GENERALLY, isnt going to be by having an influx of ‘kungfu’ purists competing across the globe. no, the involvement will be in men who KNOW cma and draw from ASPECTS of cma in mma training.

cma can stand on its own, in its own realm. in the mma world cma must be added to the collective that is mma. not try to forge its own path.

[QUOTE=Lama Pai Sifu;874235]Good Post![/QUOTE]

Thanks!! :slight_smile:

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Originally Posted by yaoli
It’s so silly to judge if one style is better than other. Gung Fu, CMA, Karate, MMA… doesn’t matter title, all can be the same. you fight a person and his own training, not a title or name. Gung Fu/CMA has evolved, the funny thing is that some people don’t realize it because names, titles, and uniforms have changed/evolved.

martial arts is all the same, the problem is that natural human prejudice causes some people to think that they have or do something better than others.

Good Post!


Sifu Michael Parrella

thanks!!! :slight_smile:

[QUOTE=SPJ;874238]I do not really know what the comp is about.

But it will be held as more of a cultural thing.

And the sponsoring group is related to epoch time and fa lun gung.

http://martialarts.ntdtv.com/en/

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ah, so DEFINITELY RACISM !!!

You do know that Fa Lun Gong preaches racism as it’s basic tenent? Chinese go to the “best heaven” and black people do not go to heaven at all :rolleyes: Anyone who “inter marries” goes to hell.

Anyone who would go to an event sponsored by Fa Lun Gong is stupid

How do I get to Chinese food heaven? Mmm, hungry.:slight_smile:

on Long Island, you need to go to Fortune Wheel. There’s another place in Bethpage, called Orient, but the waiter scares me.
Some like East Buffet-it’s not one of those cheezy buffets. They have sushi, sashimi,with good cuts of yellowtail-if ya tip them(they keep it under the counter) and a carving station with Peking Duck, and leg of lamb, and on Saturdays, they put a whole lobster at every table.
LamaPaiSifu’s school is right across the street from Minado (not Manudo) which is a huge Japanese all you can eat. (the desserts suck, though-but the flan is ok.
flan in a Japanese Restaurant? Maybe it is Manudo!)

[QUOTE=Flying-Monkey;874116]Of course, like always, jokes are made and issue is dodged.[/QUOTE]

  1. If kung fu people enter MMA events, –

the most likely place would be MMA in China. so I encourage CMA schools in China to send their students to art of war FC.

  1. If MMA people enter Kung fu events, –

so I encourage MMA people in the US to enter san shou, kuo shu lei tai events.

your concerns are fully addressed.

sometimes we have to read other’s posts carefully, or think about them more, or meanings beyond the obvious.

I spoiled the fun.


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[QUOTE=SPJ;874316]1. If kung fu people enter MMA events, –

the most likely place would be MMA in China. so I encourage CMA schools in China to send their students to art of war FC.

  1. If MMA people enter Kung fu events, –

so I encourage MMA people in the US to enter san shou, kuo shu lei tai events.

your concerns are fully addressed.

sometimes we have to read other’s posts carefully, or think about them more, or meanings beyond the obvious.

I spoiled the fun.


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I am not talking about MMA events. We need our own NHB events first. Actually, I dont think TMAist would do well in MMA events. This doesnt mean that I think that they are no good.

it all becomes clear SPJ.

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And the sponsoring group is related to epoch time and fa lun gung.

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And there we have the cause for the racist approach. Falun Gong doesn’t believe in racial mixing. They think it’ll make it easier for the disembodied aliens to kick our souls out of our bodies and take over.

Seriously…

Falun Gong is f-ing crazy.

[QUOTE=Flying-Monkey;874126]Oh please.

China had a stable society. It wasn’t like people were fighting in the streets every day. China in its early days made a lot of advances. The Chinese society was one to look up to. Most of the invaders who beat China incorporated a lot of China’s good points. The same thing happen when the Romans beat the Greeks.[/quote]
That might suggest that Kung-Fu was good enough to stabalize a society. Also, it was good that victors would incorporate it. This seems to speak to the effectiveness of Kung-Fu which you might question.

[QUOTE=Flying-Monkey;874126]Dinosaurs??? I think MMA and BJJ are the comets that are slowly ending the Kungfuasourus.[/quote]

KungfuProagandasaurus perhaps…

[QUOTE=Flying-Monkey;874126]“The young of Understanding want immediacy”

I am guessing that you were sold on the “kung fu takes 20 years to master” thing. Yeah, it takes 20 years to master when you have no master. I am talking about those teachers who tell you “self-reflect self-reflect”, and “find out on your own”. These guys have the perfect out. If you are able to defend yourself (probably from your own merits) , the teacher was successful. However, if you can’t, it is your fault and you have to look deeper. These teachers in most cases are just hiding the fact that they can’t teach. quote]

What teachers do not bring-out or use the student’s own understanding to educate?

[QUOTE=Flying-Monkey;874126]I am not saying “reflect” and “finding thing out on your own” aren’t good. You need to do these things. BUT a good teacher will show you how to use what you’ve learned. Most don’t because they can’t.[/QUOTE]

Technically, you might need to know all of the teachers for what you say to be sound. But if this is your experience or understanding then your statement is reasonable. What could it matter to you? Even if true, why say? The hard ground is hard but you do not say that. What would be your reasons for pointing out your understanding?

I No_Know

The problem with Kung Fu is that there just isn’t enough quality Kung Fu to go around. So teachers add all this cultural mysticism… shrines, flags, appealing heroic history, magical powers (chi)… to distract students.

Why would you want to distract your student?

Maybe because your level of Chinese boxing can’t compare with local standards of western boxing. Maybe because you have forms to teach but not much else. Maybe you have never really fought, don’t know how to prepare to yourself for a fight and thus can’t teach someone else.

And there are more people who are attracted to martial arts that don’t really want to put in what it takes to get the skill than those who do… so these environments cater to them while instilling the idea that their training is superior physically (they are too dangerous to compete) and spiritually (they know they are so dangerous they don’t have to compete).

We each make our choices and reap the fruit of our labor. We get out what we put in.

you guys might have a decent idea here and there, but most just see a lot kung fu bashing happening, especially by this monkey fellow-i should not even respond to this forum terrorist, but

you see kung fu is bad because they do so and so, “why would they do so and so?”, you ask

oh , thats right , i forgot only kung fu has bad habits, only kung fu attracts shady teachers,

lets show some respect guys, not everyone likes mma, not everyone likes karate,

its the practitioner, its the society, shady teachers are around bc some enjoy them, i dont go on food website complaining as to why mcdonalds is still in business, but some retards still eat poison, and these retards are still my brothers and i love em, once society has no more need for poison or shady teaches they will be gone,

ARe you guys saying this a kung fu wide problem only? this doesnt occur in other arts? really?

i had a bad math teachers once, lets get math teachers next, english is so much better, english teachers embody the essence of a teachers, math will soon perish, like dinasaurs

now doesnt that sound silly

peace,

this is already a long and winding thread.

many good points are brought up, but

  1. Good kung fu teachers, they do not make a living by teaching kung fu. They also have a day job.

dun know much about people here in the states, but in Taiwan, the good teachers I knew or ran into actually teach out of interests. Most were retired from the police, military or agencies, They all served active duties in their prime, and now lived on pensions or minimal pays.

  1. They taught active qin na and shuai jiao in the police.

  2. They learned some Ba Ji in the securities or Taiwan’s marine.

  3. They taught mantis in the military police etc.

I guess most of them never stepped in a ring, but actually used their kung fu in their duties.

utility of Kung fu was never an issue, it is only about how good you are etc.

I leave the ring issues to people that are actually in the ring.

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Cultural things are just cultural or adds on.

Cultural things should not or wound not have anything to do with fighting

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Some of the good teachers that are my contemporary.

They teaches in Kuo Shu clubs in primary, high schools and universities.

again, they do not make much money either.

just regular physical education teacher pays.

There are regular high school and college meets or san shou, kuo shu lei tai etc.

again

some of the good san shou/san da teams would be from the police academy, army, air force, marine etc.

For people interested in Kuo Shu circles in Taiwan.

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my point is that shady teachers or no good teachers do not last long in Taiwan.

And the good teachers do not make much money either.

meaning that if you want to make money, do something else.

And you teach CMA only because you love to do the stuff.

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[QUOTE=SPJ;875037]my point is that shady teachers or no good teachers do not last long in Taiwan.

And the good teachers do not make much money either.

meaning that if you want to make money, do something else.

And you teach CMA only because you love to do the stuff.

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none of this is true. i have friends in Taiwan, and tell me it is like anywhere else. there are some good and bad.

A good teacher can make good money. Case in point: keith maza

[QUOTE=SPJ;875037]my point is that shady teachers or no good teachers do not last long in Taiwan.

And the good teachers do not make much money either.

meaning that if you want to make money, do something else.

And you teach CMA only because you love to do the stuff.

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NOSNSENSE… China and Taiwan are FULL of shady teachers, bad teachers and frauds… to say otherwise is ridiculous

And good teachers CAN make money… just many do not

there is nothing wrong doing something well, and getting paid for it. There are many teachers who teach full-time, who are very passionate about their art. One thing has nothing to do with another.

[QUOTE=lkfmdc;875110]NOSNSENSE… China and Taiwan are FULL of shady teachers, bad teachers and frauds… to say otherwise is ridiculous

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Yes.

Every fruits basket has some bad fruits.

Every orchard has some bad apples or oranges.

or something to that effect.

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