I have seen some well respected kung fu masters that are probably able to hold themselves okish against a skilled opponent, then I have seen some masters who probably wont be able to fight their way out of anything, and then I have also met and seen some kung fu masters who are really serious about fighting. The last group usually don’t believe in all this ‘mumbo jumbo’ and are extremely serious and realistic about fighting. They understand that cross training is something you have to do, and they understand violence.
RD, although I agree with your statement, the San Shou in china is modern and very few of the ‘masters’ or coaches over there, have a traditional back ground. They approach san shou just like any MMA coach would approach MMA, but basically just focusing on san shou rules (no ground fighting). Non of them (or at least not the ones I have encountered) are under any false idea that their stuff is deadly.
A good fighter should be able to adapt. Plain and simple. If you cant, you probably not worth being called a fighter.
Most MMA fighters are under no illusions about their abilities. They test it regularly. They don’t have to kill people to show how good they are either.
But to answer Flying monkey, I do think there are still worthy Kung Fu fighters. But as with most things, they probably don’t care much about stylistic boundaries and probably do a fair amount of cross training.
All your (our) sihings and sisooks in HK cross train. I mean, Seem Lam Yuk runs a thaiboxing gym from Sifu Chow’s kwoon.
[QUOTE=Flying-Monkey;874141]I didn’t say famous, but great. Let my see your list.[/QUOTE]
? why posture belligerently? was my response not satisfactory to you? … and now you demand i compile lists? I would say, “you first”, as is cam’s request, please make a list of who you know is inadequate and explain why.
otherwise, my post speaks for itself.
also, any list i p[roduce would only be in my own opinion and by my own observation? what would you do with said list? waste a bunch of time trying to find holes in the teachings of the people in the list? how would you achieve that? how would you confirm you are correct. all the same questions already posed towards your original post which is vague, makes blankets statements , is arbitrary, condescending and ultimately empty of value due to the fact that you simply don’t know these inadequate “most teachers” that you drop on the table as if it were a reality.
i guess my main point is that people need to think before they post the vague general attacks on cma practices.
It is good to see the next generation of practitioners asking themselves the validity of CMA; at one point we all should ask ourselves does our particular style or knowledge is valid?
At which point we should look for the best venue that suits our needs to judge or exam of our knowledge/skill. (As we all know this will vary from person to person.)
It’s so silly to judge if one style is better than other. Gung Fu, CMA, Karate, MMA… doesn’t matter title, all can be the same. you fight a person and his own training, not a title or name. Gung Fu/CMA has evolved, the funny thing is that some people don’t realize it because names, titles, and uniforms have changed/evolved.
martial arts is all the same, the problem is that natural human prejudice causes some people to think that they have or do something better than others.
[QUOTE=Flying-Monkey;874226]Exactly Eddie! We need put up or shut up. I’m sorry but fighting with kung fu is not kick boxing or Chinese kick boxing.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=yaoli;874230]It’s so silly to judge if one style is better than other. Gung Fu, CMA, Karate, MMA… doesn’t matter title, all can be the same. you fight a person and his own training, not a title or name. Gung Fu/CMA has evolved, the funny thing is that some people don’t realize it because names, titles, and uniforms have changed/evolved.
martial arts is all the same, the problem is that natural human prejudice causes some people to think that they have or do something better than others.[/QUOTE]
Wang and Yang both were san da king winners in Taiwan.
talked about their wins in K-1 fights over players from australia and thailand.
They both are also good with western boxing and had a lot of injuries over the years. and they are both old and won against younger players.
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For people that are interested, this was from a recent event of K-1 in taiwan.
Wang was like 33 years old and his opponent was still in teen.
So he used fast western boxing and KO his opponent in the first round. He said that the opponent was good with MT and good kicking and young. So he wanted to get close fast and punch as fast and as hard as he can. So Wang did not have to deal with kicks and dragging on the fights for more rounds. Wang was affraid that he did have the endurance to last for more rounds.
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My point was that a fight is a fight no matter in what format, san da, tkd, mma, k-1, ufc,
a fight is a fight no matter what you use, boxing, mt, bjj, judo, shuai jiao, kung fu,
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oh, by the way, I am a supporter of “arts of war fighting championship” (or MMA in China).
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