Kung Fu Black Belt to fight in next UFC!

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haHa j/k

seriously, how do you guys feel a TCMA would do under the UFC rules against these upcoming opponets…

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Re: Kung Fu Black Belt to fight in next UFC!

Originally posted by chokeyouout
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seriously, how do you guys feel a TCMA would do under the UFC rules against these upcoming opponets…

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Depends. Who’s the guy? How do YOU think the average BJJ Blue Belt would do?

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He still does’nt know there are no black belts in Kung Fu!..Only in Shaolin-do and other things like that!..:rolleyes: Anyway!.. :rolleyes:

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I hope they all do well.

I don’t even know who those people you mentioned are choke.

Is there something special about them in the grand scheme of sport fighting?

Just curious as I don’t really follow that stuff in depth.

peace

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I’d imagine pretty poorly.

The rules are stacked against kung fu fighters.

Street fighting - that’s DIFFERENT.

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Good point, Old Jong

BWAHAHAHAHA! “Kung Fu Black Belt” Man, these wrasslers sure are some geniuses, ain’t they…?:smiley:

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“Randy Couture”?

Is this the credits for “Laurence of A-labia”?

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Abd “Benji Radach” was definitely the bald guy in “Robocock”

Or was it “Thighs Wide Shut”… ?

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chokeyouout

turn your PM on,I came across what you have been looking for.

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asd

I dont think the rules are stacked against kungfu fighters, i just dont think UFC type stuff interests kungfu people. I think the idea of kungfu being an alternate to boxing+muaythai+wrestling+BJJ is stupid because obviously crosstraining 4 arts gives you more skills then just training one.

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I agree with le noob, its not stacked against anyone depending on how they use their technique, Chin na practitioners who focus on alot of locks and holds may do well for example.

Hell, a wing chun master could go on and win for god sakes if he could knock a man out with one blow.
A red sand palm practitioner or one finger kung (if u believe) could easily defeat the usual thugs that come into that ring if they were well practiced, you cant rule anyone out.

(1 finger kung - if you can injure some1 without even physically touching them then think about it) hehe:D

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Question about UFC rules

Can I use small joint manipulations (finger Chi na)?

If I throw a guy head first on the mat and he’s not killed or knocked out because of the mat (As opposed to hard ground), can I kick him in the head to get a knockout wile he is lying there? Can I get behind his head and perform “monkey pounds the mortar” (a low horse stance that hammer fists the ground, or opponent’s face wile he is on the ground)? Don Frey used to do this one alot in the early UFC’s, with great results.

From what I understand, if your opponent is on the ground, you have to “rassle” him. You can’t stay on your feet (where it’s safe) and use real Kung Fu to finish him. I think it’s against the rules.

Also, can I intentionally rip his elbows apart with a Chi Na?? Or is intentionally maiming your opponent illegal? What about breaking a finger? Is it OK to spear hand an opponenet in the jugular? What about a “Cutting” Slice to the eye socket?

Am I allowed to throw him on his back and stomp on his face real hard? Can I grab his head and slam the back of it into the mat as hard as I can?? Would it even work because it’s a mat he’s falling on instead of hard ground like the real world?

Can get behind a guy and iron palm his floating rib so hard it gets driven into and internal organ and causes internal bleeeding?? I may want to do that to slow em down for my throw and subsequent face stomp, is that allowed?

Can I knife hand him in the back of the head or based of brain?

Can I elbow him in the eye socket?

Am I allwed to Iron Palm him in the fragile side of the head for a knockout? And them throw him on the ground and kneel on his neck to make sure he’s out cold?

If I can’t do all this stuff, I’d have to go learn BJJ and Muy tai to fight in this venue, and I really don’t want to waste my time with that. Heck, if I could do what I wanted in the Kuo Sho, i’d already be fighting there anyway.

Never mind, I’m not interested anyway.

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That’s a stupid question. who cares? That’s like saying how do you think Oscar De La Hoya would do? People do what they like… what makes them happy. Not everyone wants to be a professional fighter.

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can you do the majority of those things in a shuai chiao tourney?

no.

can you do the majority of them in san shou?

no.

can you do the majority of them in kuo shu?

no.

bjj guys do use small joint manipulation to some extent. They know not to use it in competitions though. If they can adapt, so could any CMA. CMA is not the only style that would prefer to remain standing and fight or run if their opponent was on the ground. However, they adapt to the situation. Adaptability is an important to an art as the techniques you learn. How good is it if you can only use it in certain situations?

And, if I’m not mistaken, In Pride you can knee your opponent in the head while you are both on the ground.

CMA trains punches, kicks, elbows and knees, correct? that and a little grappling knowledge is more than enough to survive in NHB, so rule restriction isn’t really a factor, IMO. When you train in your club, do you maim other students, do you use, chin na to dislocate, or do you stop when you see their reaction and know they feel it? Granted there are rule restrictions that make it less than realistic when compared to a street altercation, but those restrictions apply to more than CMA.

And actually, some of the things you mentioned are legal. If you want to palm him in the floating ribs, feel free. once it slows him (if it slows him) g’head and throw him. if you do cause internal bleeding, that’s on your conscience. Want to elbow him in the eye? g’head.

I even seem to remember a rule (can’t remember what venue) where after you knocked someone down, you could kick them once. Dunno if that’s still allowed though, as I can’t even remember the venue.

and you may not be able to do “monkey pounds the mortar” but you can to GnP - punches and elbows from a mounted position.

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In a street environment a kung fu practicioner would do better than in a ring. In an MMA match most TMA’s including kung fu would get raped. Kung Fu guys have entered before and have gotten a spanking. On the streets, they would probably still lose but mainly because most kung fu training is unrealistic for real fighting (especially compared to how kung fu was trained in reality historically in China).

But technichly, there is no reason why some kung fu styles (i.e san sou, shouldin, wing chun and…thats about it) could not be extremely effective in MMA as a style to cross train in. They just need to train for it. But please, leave hung gar and monkey style to the chinese opera.

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That was a troll post, but I’m going to dignify it anyway. ALL styles of TMA have realistic basics that can be used in MMA. the difference is not the style, it’s how some of them train it. They aren’t training themselves to be in a ring, they are training themselves for a quick response situation. Don Wislon (:rolleyes: , yeah I know) is a good example of how adaptable cma can be when you train for what you want to do. he wanted to use his cma for kickboxing and trained accordingly. And he did a damn good job. It’s not the style that matters, it’s the fighter and their method of training.

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“and you may not be able to do “monkey pounds the mortar” but you can to GnP - punches and elbows from a mounted position.”

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But I don’t want to do that, I want to use the Monkey stye method, it leaves more opening for escape if need be.

SevenStar,
My point is there are rules in any venue. Since I can’t do what I want in any of them anyway, why would the UFC be an attraction for me when I could just go fight in the circuites that are already established for Kung Fu?? At least there if I slamm someone on the ground real hard it’s recognised that in reality that guy would be done for because the ground is hard and I would get points or cerdit for doing so. in UFC, the fight continues with “Rassleing” or what basically constitues skills that would not really come into play in the real world outside of freindly play.

If we are suposed to be trying to simulate reality in order to test the arts, don’t you think that recognising a hard slam into the mat would be devistaing enough to end the fight?? UFC does not do this. This means many of the fight stoping techniques used by CMA’s would not produce favorable results as they would in the street, or even in our own competitive venues. So why bother? It’s too much effort to re train for that stuff, it’s easier to just fight in our own competitions.

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My point is that ALL of the competitions will have restrictions, first off. second, why enter a tourney with only CMA? Of course, competition is not for everybody, but if I’m going to compete, I want to compete somewhere that’s open to all styles so that I can test my skill against any person of any style that I may come up against. Currently, MMA is the most realistic venue out there that I’ve seen, and even though it is a sport, I guarantee you that just due to the nature of the way they train, they can hold their own in the street. It doesn’t really matter if they don’t give points for slamming into the ground as you mentioned (Judo does recognize that, however you don’t get points for it. They will break the competitors up, and they will restart.) What matters is that when they train and when they compete, they do the slams and throws with plenty of force. Since they train that way, it will carry over to the street. since they fight full contact, hitting with power will carry over to the street. If I’m in the street and a throw ends the fight, cool. It’s not something I’m gonna rely on solely though, especially if it’s someting that I can’t train full power on a regular basis, like an eye gouge.

Since I don’t train eye gouges full power all the time against resisting opponents, I’m not sure that I can pull that off in the street. I do throw people with speed and power almost daily. I KNOW I can do that.

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A hard slam on the street is easier said than done. I know I’m not at a point where I can depend on that. And neither are you. Lil Joe, maybe. MJ and the Groin Ripper? Well of course. But they’ve been doing this stuff for over ten years.

The point of an NHB competition is not to be some sort of Kung Fu God from a Hong Kong movie. The point is to see where you rank against the other guys. More importantly, the idea is to figure out how to make YOUR stuff work against other people who are trying to make THEIR stuff work against you.

Second point is to figure out what to do when YOUR stuff doesn’t work exactly how you want it to. Murphy’s Law. (No, not THAT Murphy :smiley: )

If you don’t want to do it, that’s cool. I couldn’t do it now either. Conditioning, roadwork, all that jazz play a huge part when both fighters are skilled. But the reason is not that our styles can’t compete. The reason is the level of intensity in training. Pure and simple.

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"At least there if I slamm someone on the ground real hard it’s recognised that in reality that guy would be done for because the ground is hard and I would get points or cerdit for doing so. in UFC, the fight continues with “Rassleing” or what basically constitues skills that would not really come into play in the real world outside of freindly play. "

Actually, not recognizing adds an element of reality, as it adds the “What if your hard throw doesn’t stop him?” question. What kills the reality is if the fighter chooses to go the ground with his downed opponent and grapple him.

If the throw actually ends the fight in MMA, they will then stop it, like when frank shamrock slammed an opponent on his head, instantly knocking him unconscious.