WD is right. It’s an unestablished tradition that I throw him on a hardwood floor every time I see him( 
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Those hard throws also come from power throwing. We haven’t even got into power throwing yet. First comes structure. This is the reason for the focus on the stance and form work. Until I can make my throws happen consistently by walking thu with proper structure, I can’t juice it to get the power throw. I’m hoping to be able to that consistently in about a year. That’s the plan anyhoo.
Once I can use my structure, without it breaking down, on a resisting opponent, then I can start to juice it. Right now I can get people down, but it’s sloppy. It’s more a matter of me having better control over the incidence of both our centers than anything else. In essence, I’m still making people fall down. I’m not throwing yet. MJ throws, and the difference is signifigant. MJ uses pure structure. MJ has done the stance work, has done the forms, has already accomplished what we’re going through.
I’ve been thrown before. Believe me, it feels totaly diferent. Your body is controlled ALL THE WAY DOWN It’s a helluva goal to work for though, and keeps me coming back. One day’s training yields one days effort. Until then, it’s best to know what to do when the guy DOES get up after the throw.
And Sev, I think that’s one tradition we can let die. Last time rocked me a little. You shook the floor enough with me that everyone looked at us like
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yeah, I noticed that too…Perhaps we should let that one go 
We gotta keep rolling though.
Originally posted by HuangKaiVun
[B]I’d imagine pretty poorly.
The rules are stacked against kung fu fighters.
Street fighting - that’s DIFFERENT. [/B]
Yawn.
Not this tired excuse again.
I have posted the PRIDE rules here SEVERAL times. The restrictions are on elbows, eyegouging, groin shots, biting, small joint manipulations, and throat strikes and tears. You may drop people on their heads, hit them anywhere else you choose, knee the daylights out of them, and yes, BOOTSTOMP them if you drop them on their heads.
If these rules are the difference between a style’s success or failure in the ring, the style SUCKS. It’s long on tricks and short on fighting. Pride would KILL to have a Kung Fu master in the ring. Trust me–they’d LOVE to hype that!
The last time I got into this, somebody used the rule against stalling as a reason the rules were biased against CMA. :rolleyes: Please remember that refusing to engage (as the rule is termed) is about running away actively, or butt scooting the whole match. You want to engage, and block/avoid every strike or grapple attempt, be my guest.
Utter garbage. Let’s call a spade a spade–Legitimate CMA is underrepresented in ringfighting because most of them just don’t care about it. If a really good and gifted CMAist got in there and trained for it properly they’d do fine.
Heck, I don’t see Shooter throwing out excuses. They get in there and perform recognizing the value of the ringfight venue, (some hard knocks experience, a reasonably safe environment to test your fight skills–which are different from SD skills) while never mistaking it for reality.
That’s the trick, isn’t it?
But drop the freaking rules stuff. Somehow the rules are anti-CMA, but San Shou, which is more restricted is just fine for CMAists to compete in? Rubbish, rubbish and then again, oddly enough, rubbish.
And this was definitely a troll post. And I don’t think the ring is the street.
Actually, not recognizing adds an element of reality, as it adds the “What if your hard throw doesn’t stop him?” question. What kills the reality is if the fighter chooses to go the ground with his downed opponent and grapple him.
If the throw actually ends the fight in MMA, they will then stop it, like when frank shamrock slammed an opponent on his head, instantly knocking him unconscious.
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Ok, but they are on a matt. if you really threw a guy on the hard ground, a good number of those throws would NOT end up in ground hugging grappeling. They would end up with the thrown opponent having the wind knocked out of him. If “I” go down with my opponent, I’m not grappeling him, I’m crushing him with my knees, elbows or fists and getting up as fast as I can before he reverses it on me.
In the street, you have much more to worry about than a ring fight, especialy freinds of your attacker. The LAST thing you want is to get tied up in a “Rasslin” match wile his friends are kicking the stuffing out of your ribs. Slam him down hard and stomp him harrder. It’s always worked for me, and in my youth I fought a couple of times a week (Accidentally beat up this badass dude, and everyone wanted to fight me after that).
Anyway, since all fight venuse are heaviliy ruled, and not realistic anyway, why fight in the UFC when you can go to the Kuo Sho? or some other venue where power slamming a guy on the ground is recognised as the fight ending move that it is?? If you have to have a mat for safety, then you should recognise that it allows normally fight ending attacks to be recovered from, have little effect and compensate for it. When the UFC does that, then I will hold it in higher regaurd.
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a throw is not always fight ending, like it was not when I threw WD on the HARDWOOD. will it take some of the fight out of you? yes. Is it a guaranteed ender? Not necessarily. it’s the ‘not necessarily’ part that I’m concerned with. That’s when the stomp comes in, which as MP stated, is allowed in Pride.
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by doing mma you would be available to test yourself against any other style, not just other cma, like kuo shu.
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most people are blinded by what they see of bjj. the avg bjj guy doesn’t want to go to the ground in a fight, but he knows what to do if it does go there.
The contests are fought on a platform ranging currently from two to three feet high, and twenty four by twenty four feet square.
Contests are decided by either knockout, or point accumulation, with the current point structures as follows below:
One point awarded for any clean and powerful strike to any valid target area. (Forbidden targets are the groin, back brain and throat only.) (No gouging permitted.)
Two points awarded for a clean throwing technique, where the person executing the throw does not touch the floor with any part of his/her body other than the feet. (No ground fighting permitted.)
Three points awarded for execution of a technique, whether strike or throw, that succeeds in ejecting the opponent off the platform entirely.
In International competitions, strikes with the Hands, Feet, Elbows and Knees are allowed.
Unfortunetly, this is not the case with national fights, this, and no ground and pound (traditional Chinese groundfighting) are my only compliants.
Originally posted by UltimateFighter
But technichly, there is no reason why some kung fu styles (i.e san sou, shouldin, wing chun and…thats about it) could not be extremely effective in MMA as a style to cross train in. They just need to train for it. But please, leave hung gar and monkey style to the chinese opera.
How has say wingchun demonstrated the fact that it is more effective than any other CMA?
no GnP? No eye gouging? that’s no more real than pride, so if you would enter that, then you could enter pride… you just don’t want to. And ultimately, that’s what it comes down to. People that don’t compete don’t for no other reason than they don’t want to. Or possibly that they are insecure. All the rule restriction stuff is BS.
no GnP? No eye gouging? that’s no more real than pride, so if you would enter that, then you could enter pride…
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Sure, but is Pride here in Chicago?? I thought that was a Japanese thing. Kuo Sho is right here, I don’t have to go very far for it.
They have MMA in indiana…I’ll find the link if ya want.
Originally posted by Royal Dragon
Sure, but is Pride here in Chicago?? I thought that was a Japanese thing. Kuo Sho is right here, I don’t have to go very far for it.
There are a lot of fights at the civic center in Hammond. That’s the town where I live. Amateur MMA in Chicago
Trolls don’t train 5 days a week.
Will we ever see a Kung Fu anything in MMA?
Anyone can use any fancy strikes except to the eyes and groin.
A martial artist can’t win without using those techniques…?
There is no rasslin rule…
If you don’t want to go to the ground then let your Kung Fu skills keep you on your feet.
When will all the hocus pocus clear up and unravel the deadliness of KUNG FU.
The thing that scare’s the sh1t talkers is the fact that there’s no self promotion or speculation in MMA.
Noone is standing around assuming they can fight; they actually get in the ring and do it.
In most arts a good story and loud KIAAAAA will convince the sheep their well protected.
J’en suis bouche-bée! :rolleyes:
wtf? I can’t read russian…
Where did you get that bull crap from?
Originally posted by UltimateFighter
[B]In a street environment a kung fu practicioner would do better than in a ring. In an MMA match most TMA’s including kung fu would get raped. Kung Fu guys have entered before and have gotten a spanking. On the streets, they would probably still lose but mainly because most kung fu training is unrealistic for real fighting (especially compared to how kung fu was trained in reality historically in China).
But technichly, there is no reason why some kung fu styles (i.e san sou, shouldin, wing chun and…thats about it) could not be extremely effective in MMA as a style to cross train in. They just need to train for it. But please, leave hung gar and monkey style to the chinese opera. [/B]
Unrealistic for real fighting.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah:p
You guys make me laugh i love listening to you remote control warriors.
Kung fu is a " War Art " It was used in wars not on just street corners,but wars.
Monkey style Chinese Opera hahahaha.You crack me up
Monkey style won the all asia tournaments several times.You know who was at the all asia toutnaments.Judo,ju jitsu,Muay Thai,karate,kung fu,etc…
just because some kung fu guys lost on UFC everyone wants to talk about MMA and BJJ.If they were the best would’nt everyone do them?You think MMA’s and BJJ just arrived with the UFC?I’ve seen Bjj,muay thai,and mma loose fights bad ,but everyone wants to talk about when karate and kung fu loose.
If you think every kung fu guy fights that way you would be a fool.The problem is not many kung fu people know how to use their techniques.Most cases their sifu’s don’t even know how to use their technique.just because you know a technique does’nt mean you know how to use it.I will give bjj this they train using their technique so that way they have no choice but to know how to use their technique.Kung fu has gotten away from the traditional training so this is what happens when people think you can cut back on the hard training of old.A bunch of forms is not going to make you a great fighter serious training will.
jmd161
Helio, when commenting on “BJJ’s recent defeat to judo”:
PRIDE: What is the difference between judo and jiu-jitsu?
Gracie: Basically, the rules are different. Jiu-jitsu is about fighting in order to beat your opponent. It’s a “martial art.” But, judo is a “sport” with rules. That’s the difference.
P.S. “MMA has no self-promotion” bwahhaahhahaha
Merryprankster
Legitimate CMA is underrepresented in ringfighting because most of them just don’t care about it. If a really good and gifted CMAist got in there and trained for it properly they’d do fine.
I totally agree. I don’t think the rule restrictions should matter all that much to someone who is keen on competing. There is such a wide range of techs in kung fu systems and an even wider range of applications for those techs that someone who knows their stuff should have no problems competing under pride or UFC rules.
There are also techs in kung fu that one could not use in competition. And no I am not talking about the much-discussed bill gee attacks to eyes and throat. Take for example a simple move where the guy shoots for the legs. The other combatant, a kung fu practitioner, brings his arms in and down striking the hollows on either side of the spine at the back of the neck, pushing the shooter’s head into his lower torso, forcing their head back, and breaking their neck.
There are alternative ways to deal with a shoot in kung fu that will not maim or kill.
Now to those who keep on about how all kung fu is useless (esp that idiot who jmd161 quoted above) please feel free to post the video of your fights in UFC, Pride, or any other NHB competitions that you have entered. Remember in all these competitions after two men square off, one loses. Be he MMA, kung fu, street fighting, BJJ, Judo, or kick boxing, etc.
Very well said.
Take for example a simple move where the guy shoots for the legs. The other combatant, a kung fu practitioner, brings his arms in and down striking the hollows on either side of the spine at the back of the neck, pushing the shooter’s head into his lower torso, forcing their head back, and breaking their neck.
**** good post except for the above. You actually believe this? Your ass and the ground would become very fast acquaintances if you ever tried this against even a half-competent shooter.