Relax I’m not here to start a war.
Does anyone know where on the internet I can find some video clips of Jook Lum S. Mantis? Not Chu Gar- I’ve seen footage on them already. =]
Thank you.
urban tea.
urban tea - Relax I’m not here to start a war.
Then you hardly can be considered part of the SPM family now can you? 
urban tea - Does anyone know where on the internet I can find some video clips of Jook Lum S. Mantis?
http://www.masterginfoonmark.com/movie_download.htm
Master Gin Foon Mark
http://www.carbonecho.com/Kungfu/Videos.dtml
Sifu Norman Chin
urban tea - Not Chu Gar- I’ve seen footage on them already. =]
Pray tell, what Chu Gar Gao Sifu did you see footage of?
Cannibalism is unequivocally a valid dynamic for all societies. I am, Hideous.
For Chu Gar, i’ve seen Marks and Po Yee.s
urban tea - For Chu Gar, i’ve seen Marks and Po Yee.s
Mark Foon and Poo Yee are both from the Lum Sang Pai which is Kwongsi Jook Lum Tong Long, not Chu Gar Gao. Having seen both of their hands it is my opinion that Chu Gar Gao is superior.
Cannibalism is unequivocally a valid dynamic for all societies. I am, Hideous.
hideous
what system of kung fu do you study?
redfist - what system of kung fu do you study?
Why, SPM of course, my friend 
And you?
Cannibalism is unequivocally a valid dynamic for all societies. I am, Hideous.
hideous
i to am a student of spm,
i was wondering if you would care to expound upon the reason
you feel that the chu gar gao branch of spm is superior to the jook lum branch,
what differances based on your observations in the method of training and application led you to this conclusion?
Redfist - i to am a student of spm,
I thought as much, Hung Mei
Redfist - i was wondering if you would care to expound upon the reason you feel that the chu gar gao branch of spm is superior to the jook lum branch,
I do not feel it so much as think it. I do not base my opinion on reason so much as reasons and they are not for public consumption. That is why I expressed it as a personal opinion.
As such it is not an alleged definitive statement of fact and therefore should not be regarded as offensive. As expressed, it is just the personal opinion of a forum member, nothing more, nothing less.
Redfist - what differances based on your observations in the method of training and application led you to this conclusion?
See above and it is not so much from observation as it is from gong sau with more than a few considered skilled in KJL TL over the years.
Cannibalism is unequivocally a valid dynamic for all societies. I am, Hideous.
Hideous- Curious- what is it about Chu gar that you think gives
an edge over jook lum training.?
Yuanfen - Curious- what is it about Chu gar that you think gives an edge over jook lum training.?
If we understand terms as [authentic Chu Gar Gao] and not that horrendous garbage being marketed today and we further limit KJLTL to America [Lum Sang Pai] then I could answer the question.
In order to preclude offending any of my Hakka Tong Long brothers it is necessary to make a disclaimer: This is only my personal opinion based on personal experience over a fair amount of time. I do not claim to speak for any Pai, line, lineage, branch, or person other than myself.
Lum Sang was all of about 5’2” tall and weighed approximately 125 – 130 pounds. His hand reflected the reality of his physical limitations as does the hand of any practitioner regardless of chosen art form. He was also blessed with quick reflexes and excellent connective tissue strength, ligament strength I believe it is sometimes termed.
Therefore, his hand places a premium on the ability to physically displace at or near the speed of strike. Apparently, the expanded foot patterns or stepping methods worked quite well for him and arguably they would work well for another person possessing a similar physical make – up [genetic inheritance].
Furthermore, the hand is characterized by a pronounced Yin quality which is not a detriment in any sense of the word, just a necessary arrangement given that he was ill equipped to enter into close proximity, stay there, stick to the opponent and exchange.
The heavily footwork dependent, premium placed on physically displacing, Yin hand plays well given that you have a very specific arrangement of physical attributes. As with all authentic Hakka Tong Long the angles of engagement are really quite small. The stepping requirements are burdensome to the point of eliminating many otherwise very qualified people. Perhaps unique is a better word than specific. By inference this means limited in terms of those capable of making the hand work. I am not speaking of making the hand work in a high level test of skill but in actual all out fighting.
Having said all the above, Chu Gar Gao, by way of comparison, is far more forgiving with regard to what a person must all ready possess, or have the potential to possess, in order to make it work. Furthermore, Chu Gar Gao’s structures are open to correct interpretation in a much broader context. By this, I mean to say that the hand plays well for a variety of body types and abilities. Those built for heavy rooting, a Yang bridge, bent primarily on issuing telling force will be just as at home with Chu Gar Gao as those more suitable for other application focused arrangements.
Refinement is a logical and necessary component of an art’s growth, would you not agree? Would you not also agree that taken to an extreme, refinement becomes a detriment as it creates an exclusiveness not conducive to an art’s longevity? This begs the question - Of what value is an art that speaks only to the very, very few?
There are several other reason for the position I hold but this outlines the for public consumption portion of it. As for the rest, I keep those to myself.
Cannibalism is unequivocally a valid dynamic for all societies. I am, Hideous.
sorry i’m not from spm but i too know from experience that chu ga is more superior than jook.thats why i’m not allowed to speak ill of chu ga.so hideouse you got off lightly.lol
yuan,nice to see you on the southern where you belong,don’t tell me its boring in the w/c section.well you got what you wished for.lol
To be able to say that Chu Gar is superior to Jook Lum you need to touch hands with the old school sifus..in hong kong. If you just touch hands with white people, that doesnt count
urban tea - To be able to say that Chu Gar is superior to Jook Lum you need to touch hands with the old school sifus..in hong kong.
I have done so and the old school KJL TL Sifu fared as always, none too well at all. Please tell me, urban tea, of the families left by Lum Sang, many of which live in America, how is it that you are qualified to dismiss them out of hand? Please share with me your insight as to how geography translates to the definitive factor governing skill level? Do be so kind as to tell me how you have personally touched hands with the Elders in the United States and found them lacking in comparison to their HK brothers.
urban tea - If you just touch hands with white people, that doesnt count
So you say, and your racist based opinion is formed in response to precisely what experience and level of skill? Please be so kind as to share with all of us how the concentration of, or lack thereof, melanin is the dominant factor in determining how one fights? Or, do you mean to say that the presence or absence of epithelial folds over the eyes is the primary determining factor in fighting skill? If you lack personal experience then perhaps you would be so gracious as to share with us the historically documented or scientifically validated evidence for your position.
If you will read carefully my post, urban tea, you will notice that I did not state [touch hands] and in fact disallowed such a format of skill comparison in the expression of my opinion. In addition to apparently being a racist you most certainly have a significant and pronounced reading & comprehension problem. Are you mentally retarded, my friend?
Cannibalism is unequivocally a valid dynamic for all societies. I am, Hideous
First of all Hideous..you have some personality issues. =]
Have you touched with Gin Foon Mark? Or Lee Kok Leung?
As for the white person remark, i was joking. Relax, i’m not here to start a war.
urban tea - First of all Hideous..you have some personality issues. =]
Ah, I see. So, in addition to being an authority on SPM you are also a certified mental health professional both qualified and competent to make such determinations. To one with so vast and greatly diverse expertise I bow in your direction.
urban tea - Have you touched with Gin Foon Mark? Or Lee Kok Leung?
Both or which one is none of your business, and the answer is, yes.
urban tea - As for the white person remark, i was joking.
A [joke] you say? Please do not quit your day jobs as SPM expert and mental health care provider as the global economy is in a bit of a stall. You have no potential as a comedian.
urban tea - Relax, i’m not here to start a war.
You bandy around the word war and speak of testing hands with far too cavalier an attitude, my friend. I do believe that you are far less than real and have therefore put you on my Ignore List. Good bye my rather ill informed and retarded friend with the profoundly unfunny sense of racist humor and, obviously, no SPM skill.
Cannibalism is unequivocally a valid dynamic for all societies. I am, Hideous
WHere on my post does it say that i’m a SPM authority? Please cut and paste for me. I never even said that I trained in the style ****.
Yes you have personality issues and I know i’m not the only person on your ignore list.
Relax, drink a smoothie. Life is great.
“the proof is in the pudding”!!!
Sui - “the proof is in the pudding”!!!
Agreed my friend, agreed. It is just when the [pudding] source is an exit only canal for matter fecal in nature that the [proof] stinks so horrendously bad. There are some very peculiar people on this forum and I am beginning to think that many of them are not real. I would not be at all surprised to learn that at least some who post here are either here on their own accord or put here by another agent for reason or reasons I cannot presently fathom. Most certainly the answer or answers have little, if any thing, to do with martial arts as a topic of conversation. A very pronounced surreal feel to this whole electronic medium, strange days indeed …
Cannibalism is unequivocally a valid dynamic for all societies. I am, Hideous
"promotions"i hear a shout,but what is there to discuss?
me personaly like to meet[for real]a challenge of stimulation,for wich i do privatly[test my k.f]its all talk here and to fight everyone is not the aim!you have a deep voice which is related to command.
if we were to meet what of the outcome and the reason for it?to win?to loose?to learn?to teach?
however i would provoke you to fight[no talk]then to…i don’t know.three moves we would know for sure.[but no killing]lol