Was recently reading an article about WC’s fighting aspects and it briefly mentions ‘SiFu Jiu Wan style’.
Anyone have any knowledge of this style/method?
Similiar to Yip Man’s style?
From reading posts / threads on here it appears he was a friend / student of YM but already knew WC(?). Was this persons interpretation of WC and his fighting methods vastly different from YM?
Appreciate any feedback. Thank you.
[QUOTE=HybridWarrior;1272777]Was recently reading an article about WC’s fighting aspects and it briefly mentions ‘SiFu Jiu Wan style’.
Anyone have any knowledge of this style/method?
Similiar to Yip Man’s style?
From reading posts / threads on here it appears he was a friend / student of YM but already knew WC(?). Was this persons interpretation of WC and his fighting methods vastly different from YM?
Appreciate any feedback. Thank you.[/QUOTE]
Jiu Wan first learned wing chun from someone else then became Ip Man’s student in HK. He had some tong connections apparently. Jason Lau and Francis Fong do Jiu Wan wing chun. Lau emphasizes a more important position for Jiu Wan.
BTW, given my limited computer tech ability, I don’t know how to post a picture provided by Yang Margie from a facebook here,
given your lineage. Its a 2012 picture taken in Foshan of Ho Kam Ming explaining something to Duncan Leung- the latter is your sigung if memory serves.
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Jiu Wan first learned wing chun from someone else then became Ip Man’s student in HK. He had some tong connections apparently. Jason Lau and Francis Fong do Jiu Wan wing chun. Lau emphasizes a more important position for Jiu Wan.
BTW, given my limited computer tech ability, I don’t know how to post a picture provided by Yang Margie from a facebook here,
given your lineage. Its a 2012 picture taken in Foshan of Ho Kam Ming explaining something to Duncan Leung- the latter is your sigung if memory serves.[/QUOTE]
Excellent. Thx Joy. I’ll check it out!
As for the Jiu Wan stuff…I’ll have to visit a kwoon of the two you mention at some point. Just curious as to why / how it is different from YM methods. Thx again.
Fred Kwok jiu wan
Our own sifu Fred Kwok in Vancouver is of Jiu Wan house
I am currently training with one of his old students.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrg0DbPnHhw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJfKNfyyQsg&list=PL855E437C360DFB92
[QUOTE=Happy Tiger;1272818]Our own sifu Fred Kwok in Vancouver is of Jiiu Wan house
I am currently training with one of his old students.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrg0DbPnHhw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJfKNfyyQsg&list=PL855E437C360DFB92[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the reply and vid links Happy Tiger!
[QUOTE=kung fu fighter;1272822]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2plEC4adSw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3KwBB37gMI[/QUOTE]
Nice. Thanks KFF!
[QUOTE=HybridWarrior;1272823]Nice. Thanks KFF![/QUOTE]
You’re welcome! Jiu Wan’s son used to live in Toronto and was good friends with my sifu before moving back to Hong Kong. Of all Yip Man’s Hong Kong students I like Jiu Wan’s and WSL’s interpretation the best.
[QUOTE=HybridWarrior;1272777]Was recently reading an article about WC’s fighting aspects and it briefly mentions ‘SiFu Jiu Wan style’.
Anyone have any knowledge of this style/method?
Similiar to Yip Man’s style?
From reading posts / threads on here it appears he was a friend / student of YM but already knew WC(?). Was this persons interpretation of WC and his fighting methods vastly different from YM?
Appreciate any feedback. Thank you.[/QUOTE]
hunt1 has said this in the past:
Their was one person that had enough wing chun knowledge to know the truth and everyone that makes these claims conveniently ignores him. Jui Wan was already a wing chun Sifu in Fatshan and he was friends with and knew first hand YKS and everyone else. When his son asked him why become Yip Man’s student after he moved to HK in 1953 he was very clear. In Fatshan Yip’s wing chun was like everyone else’s. When they met up in 1953 Yip’s wing chun was both different and better. Jui Wan asked Yip what was different and where it came from and Yip told him he learned from Leung Bik. Jui Wan asked to learn this from Yip Man and so became Yip’s student. . This was also before the time of the Yip learning from Dai Duk lan stories. When asked Yip was clear that while similar Weng Chun and his Wing Chun were different from different sources.
[QUOTE=KPM;1272835]hunt1 has said this in the past:
Their was one person that had enough wing chun knowledge to know the truth and everyone that makes these claims conveniently ignores him. Jui Wan was already a wing chun Sifu in Fatshan and he was friends with and knew first hand YKS and everyone else. When his son asked him why become Yip Man’s student after he moved to HK in 1953 he was very clear. In Fatshan Yip’s wing chun was like everyone else’s. When they met up in 1953 Yip’s wing chun was both different and better. Jui Wan asked Yip what was different and where it came from and Yip told him he learned from Leung Bik. Jui Wan asked to learn this from Yip Man and so became Yip’s student. . This was also before the time of the Yip learning from Dai Duk lan stories. When asked Yip was clear that while similar Weng Chun and his Wing Chun were different from different sources. [/QUOTE]
Thanks fot reposting hunt1’s comment on Jiu Wan
[QUOTE=KPM;1272835]hunt1 has said this in the past:
Their was one person that had enough wing chun knowledge to know the truth and everyone that makes these claims conveniently ignores him. Jui Wan was already a wing chun Sifu in Fatshan and he was friends with and knew first hand YKS and everyone else. When his son asked him why become Yip Man’s student after he moved to HK in 1953 he was very clear. In Fatshan Yip’s wing chun was like everyone else’s. When they met up in 1953 Yip’s wing chun was both different and better. Jui Wan asked Yip what was different and where it came from and Yip told him he learned from Leung Bik. Jui Wan asked to learn this from Yip Man and so became Yip’s student. . This was also before the time of the Yip learning from Dai Duk lan stories. When asked Yip was clear that while similar Weng Chun and his Wing Chun were different from different sources. [/QUOTE]
Thanks for that KPM. Interesting. I assume the two people Joy mentioned above (Jason Lau and Francis Fong) learned from Jiu Wan after JW’s time learning a second version/interpretation of WC from Yip Man. I wonder what version of WC did JW know prior to him studying under YM?
Anyway, perhaps it is all lost given the amount of years that have passed. I appreciate the input to the thread. Clearly this Jiu Wan had some influence and expressed his WC differently enough for people of our time to single him out i.e. “SiFu Jiu Wan style” as per the website I read it on.
Thx to all who responded!
[QUOTE=HybridWarrior;1272837]Thanks for that KPM. Interesting. I assume the two people Joy mentioned above (Jason Lau and Francis Fong) learned from Jiu Wan after JW’s time learning a second version/interpretation of WC from Yip Man. I wonder what version of WC did JW know prior to him studying under YM?
Anyway, perhaps it is all lost given the amount of years that have passed. I appreciate the input to the thread. Clearly this Jiu Wan had some influence and expressed his WC differently enough for people of our time to single him out i.e. “SiFu Jiu Wan style” as per the website I read it on.
Thx to all who responded![/QUOTE]
Jiu wan first learnt wing chun from Jiu chao in Fatsan
[QUOTE=kung fu fighter;1272838]Jiu wan first learnt wing chun from Jiu chao in Fatsan[/QUOTE]
Thanks again.
[QUOTE=Vajramusti;1272780] Its a 2012 picture taken in Foshan of Ho Kam Ming explaining something to Duncan Leung- the latter is your sigung if memory serves.[/QUOTE]
Joy, is this the picture?
[QUOTE=HybridWarrior;1272837]Thanks for that KPM. Interesting. I assume the two people Joy mentioned above (Jason Lau and Francis Fong) learned from Jiu Wan after JW’s time learning a second version/interpretation of WC from Yip Man. I wonder what version of WC did JW know prior to him studying under YM?
Anyway, perhaps it is all lost given the amount of years that have passed. I appreciate the input to the thread. Clearly this Jiu Wan had some influence and expressed his WC differently enough for people of our time to single him out i.e. “SiFu Jiu Wan style” as per the website I read it on.
Thx to all who responded![/QUOTE]
Jason Lau and Francis Fong are students of Jiu Wan , as well as Ti Lung (from the old Shaw Bros films) Dennis Chan, Wong Li Feng, Chow Hung-Yuen, and Chiu Hung-Kwan. There are not many that were directly trained by Jiu Wan. I wish I knew of a instructor in the Jiu Wan style where I am at now. But I have found to really love his version of WC. I was fortunate enough to learn some of it before I moved to Colorado.
[QUOTE=jhexx;1272906]Jason Lau and Francis Fong are students of Jiu Wan , as well as Ti Lung (from the old Shaw Bros films) Dennis Chan, Wong Li Feng, Chow Hung-Yuen, and Chiu Hung-Kwan. There are not many that were directly trained by Jiu Wan. I wish I knew of a instructor in the Jiu Wan style where I am at now. But I have found to really love his version of WC. I was fortunate enough to learn some of it before I moved to Colorado.[/QUOTE]
One of the enjoyable highlights of a kung fu tournament and demonstration in Texas in the 80s was a joint demonstration of sil lim tao
by WSL, TST and Jason Lau. The sequence was basically similar but to a good eye there were differences in the details
of body usage.
It was few years before WSL’s death. WSL and TST had travelled to Vancouver, then California before going to Texas.
Jason Lau had brought with him a group of his students to participate in the tournament. There were some broken bones
and noses in the matches.
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One of the enjoyable highlights of a kung fu tournament and demonstration in Texas in the 80s was a joint demonstration of sil lim tao
by WSL, TST and Jason Lau. The sequence was basically similar but to a good eye there were differences in the details
of body usage.
It was few years before WSL’s death. WSL and TST had travelled to Vancouver, then California before going to Texas.
Jason Lau had brought with him a group of his students to participate in the tournament. There were some broken bones
and noses in the matches.[/QUOTE]
That is a very interesting story. I would’ve loved to have witnessed this event myself 
From what I learned so far, in Sil Lim Tao, there are some differences in the second and third parts of the form. Very minor but yes, to the trained eye there are some subtle differences.
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One of the enjoyable highlights of a kung fu tournament and demonstration in Texas in the 80s was a joint demonstration of sil lim tao
by WSL, TST and Jason Lau. The sequence was basically similar but to a good eye there were differences in the details
of body usage.
It was few years before WSL’s death. WSL and TST had travelled to Vancouver, then California before going to Texas.
Jason Lau had brought with him a group of his students to participate in the tournament. There were some broken bones
and noses in the matches.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for sharing this story.
[QUOTE=jhexx;1272906]Jason Lau and Francis Fong are students of Jiu Wan , as well as Ti Lung (from the old Shaw Bros films) Dennis Chan, Wong Li Feng, Chow Hung-Yuen, and Chiu Hung-Kwan. There are not many that were directly trained by Jiu Wan. I wish I knew of a instructor in the Jiu Wan style where I am at now. But I have found to really love his version of WC. I was fortunate enough to learn some of it before I moved to Colorado.[/QUOTE]
Cool. Thanks jhexx