Very interesting! Thanks Navin! If this is what Yip Man learned from Chan Wah Shun and Ng Chun So, then some major changes were made in Yip Man’s Wing Chun! I think Yip Man’s WCK looks more like Yuen Kay Shan’s WCK than it does the WCK in this video. Which again suggests what Robert Chu and others have already said…Yuen Kay Shan was likely a huge influence on Yip Man.
[QUOTE=KPM;1267801]Very interesting! Thanks Navin! If this is what Yip Man learned from Chan Wah Shun and Ng Chun So, then some major changes were made in Yip Man’s Wing Chun! I think Yip Man’s WCK looks more like Yuen Kay Shan’s WCK than it does the WCK in this video. Which again suggests what Robert Chu and others have already said…Yuen Kay Shan was likely a huge influence on Yip Man.[/QUOTE]
OOOOoorrrrr, we believe Yip Man’s story and Leung Bik was the ‘other influence’. 
[QUOTE=JPinAZ;1267804]OOOOoorrrrr, we believe Yip Man’s story and Leung Bik was the ‘other influence’. :)[/QUOTE]
Or we don’t buy into that this was what CWS taught. I am sorry to break it to you all but just because it is on YouTube does not make it true.
[QUOTE=KPM;1267801]Very interesting! Thanks Navin! If this is what Yip Man learned from Chan Wah Shun and Ng Chun So, then some major changes were made in Yip Man’s Wing Chun! I think Yip Man’s WCK looks more like Yuen Kay Shan’s WCK than it does the WCK in this video. Which again suggests what Robert Chu and others have already said…Yuen Kay Shan was likely a huge influence on Yip Man.[/QUOTE]
I don’t think so.
[QUOTE=tc101;1267805]Or we don’t buy into that this was what CWS taught. I am sorry to break it to you all but just because it is on YouTube does not make it true.[/QUOTE]
Yes. I think this is the more likely case.
This is what Tam Won Biu teaching today , he is a student of Chan Gar Lim, son of Chan Yiu Min , who is Chan Wah Shun’s son .
Neither this CWS lineage nor YKS have jam-sau in their SNT form.
Yip Man originally only taught jam-sau, which came from Leung Bik.
[QUOTE=LFJ;1267830]Neither this CWS lineage nor YKS have jam-sau in their SNT form.
Yip Man originally only taught jam-sau, which came from Leung Bik.[/QUOTE]
According to Yip Man and his followers . CWS and YKS lineage may have different stories
[QUOTE=zuti car;1267826]This is what Tam Won Biu teaching today , he is a student of Chan Gar Lim, son of Chan Yiu Min , who is Chan Wah Shun’s son .[/QUOTE]
Ah! Then Navin may have been a little overly enthusiastic to call this “pure” CWS WCK lineage footage. I have always suspected that Chan Yiu Min added in a lot things to his Wing Chun.
[QUOTE=KPM;1267833]Ah! Then Navin may have been a little overly enthusiastic to call this “pure” CWS WCK lineage footage. I have always suspected that Chan Yiu Min added in a lot things to his Wing Chun.[/QUOTE]
I heard also that at least at some time CYM was calling his art weng chun. I also heard he added some local southern fist into his art.
[QUOTE=LFJ;1267830]Neither this CWS lineage nor YKS have jam-sau in their SNT form.
Yip Man originally only taught jam-sau, which came from Leung Bik.[/QUOTE]
You are kidding right?
[QUOTE=KPM;1267833]Ah! Then Navin may have been a little overly enthusiastic to call this “pure” CWS WCK lineage footage. I have always suspected that Chan Yiu Min added in a lot things to his Wing Chun.[/QUOTE]
I don’t know about " a lot" but Hung Gar influence is obvious .
[QUOTE=tc101;1267835]You are kidding right?[/QUOTE]
About? …
I think Tam Wing Biu’s lineage has added a lot of Southern Fist and may not be truly representative of what Chan Wah Shun taught.
As for Yuen Kay Shan, it is known that he and Yip were longtime friends. A look at their sets, and you can see the resemblance. Yip Man’s early version in HK looks very much like YKS’ system.
As for Leung Bik, I personally doubt the whole story of Yip Man learning from him. That does not mean that others cannot have a different opinion.
No one has all the facts.
[QUOTE=chusauli;1267857]YKS Jum Sao in SNT:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dKAcCvL8ZE
There’s no Gaun Sao.[/QUOTE]
What? 
What is that @1:32? I don’t know what you call it if it isn’t gaang-sau, but it’s certainly not jam-sau.
[QUOTE=chusauli;1267862]No one has all the facts.[/QUOTE]
I would tend to agree with that. Although I would also add that whatever Chan Wah Shun was teaching, Ip Man was not authorised in the ‘public’ sense to carry on the school that Chan Wah Shun set up. Ng Jung So was the inheritor and he worked extensively with Chan Wah Shuns son Chan Yiu Min according to what I have read.
I also thought it was ‘common knowledge’ that Ip Man stripped many of the older traditions away, adjusting what he had been taught and inventing a ‘New Method’ that he alone taught in Hong Kong. So on reflection, maybe NOTHING was added to Chan Wah Shuns original curriculum by his sons or Ng Jung So?!! Maybe it was Ip Man that removed EVERYTHING! And so in looking for an original template of Wing Chun we will always find similarities to other Southern and Shaolin based Systems? Or are we to take the Taost Emei approach to find our answers? Or Yong Chun White Crane??
Each to their own, but at least understand that it’s all simply speculation for now…
[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1267954]
I also thought it was ‘common knowledge’ that Ip Man stripped many of the older traditions away, adjusting what he had been taught and inventing a ‘New Method’ that he alone taught in Hong Kong. So on reflection, maybe NOTHING was added to Chan Wah Shuns original curriculum by his sons or Ng Jung So?!! Maybe it was Ip Man that removed EVERYTHING! …[/QUOTE]
If that was true, then you would have to admit that Yuen Kay Shan pretty much stripped away almost exactly the same elements and material! That still suggests a pretty close relationship and collaboration between Yip Man and Yuen Kay Shan, don’t you think?
[QUOTE=KPM;1267961]If that was true, then you would have to admit that Yuen Kay Shan pretty much stripped away almost exactly the same elements and material! That still suggests a pretty close relationship and collaboration between Yip Man and Yuen Kay Shan, don’t you think?[/QUOTE]
Since the internet is available, people can see the closeness of the 2 systems. YKS kept the sets as he learned them from Fok Bo Chuen.