http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL9ZUe88Tik
A preview of the Boston guy’s latest meeting.
Where’s the blast? I just see arm wrestling and actually wrestling, with a couple ‘gotcha’ shots in there…
trying to add an artificial platform like chi sao to a functional platform like clinch work…i guess its true some people can try to make square pegs fit into round holes (or to quote paul sharp some people can actually fck up a wet dream)
[QUOTE=LFJ;1253434]Where’s the blast? I just see arm wrestling and actually wrestling, with a couple ‘gotcha’ shots in there…[/QUOTE]
“Wing Chun Blast” is the name of the video blog that the guy interviewing/working with Young posts on youtube.
[QUOTE=BPWT;1253355]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL9ZUe88Tik
A preview of the Boston guy’s latest meeting.[/QUOTE]
Never ceases to amaze me all the guys this guy has interviewed talk a load a Big talk ..But when it comes down to it all l see is garbage 
They don’t even work with the correct Chi sau platforms
And they’re the ones that get the most exposure how Sad 
[QUOTE=Frost;1253437]trying to add an artificial platform like chi sao to a functional platform like clinch work…i guess its true some people can try to make square pegs fit into round holes (or to quote paul sharp some people can actually fck up a wet dream)[/QUOTE]
I’ve not looked at the video you are referring to but I have some thoughts on what you have said. I am actually writing quite a lengthy piece about this based upon my continuing experiences at a mma gym.
Rather than clutter the thread might you be open, Frost, to an email dialog on this theme? If so PM me to exchange email addresses!
[QUOTE=Paddington;1253458]I’ve not looked at the video you are referring to but I have some thoughts on what you have said. I am actually writing quite a lengthy piece about this based upon my continuing experiences at a mma gym.
Rather than clutter the thread might you be open, Frost, to an email dialog on this theme? If so PM me to exchange email addresses![/QUOTE]
sure pm sent
[QUOTE=Paddington;1253458]Rather than clutter the thread might you be open, Frost, to an email dialog on this theme? If so PM me to exchange email addresses![/QUOTE]
Sounds like a worthy topic. Why not just start another thread here?
[QUOTE=LFJ;1253434]Where’s the blast? I just see arm wrestling and actually wrestling, with a couple ‘gotcha’ shots in there…[/QUOTE]
yeah. I don’t have any clue WTF those guys are doing in that clip. except the one guy is wearing a bjj shirt from Franjinha’s, but he didn’t seem to pick up any skills there when visiting…
wingchun blast
with all due respect. please don;t call that chi-sao. is not.
Ok after I saw that…I looked up Dannys page and saw all his other vids.
Doesn’t matter who he faces…(masters) he always just reaches out and slaps the masters in the face.
It’s a little silly, when all they ever talk about is controlling and protecting their center and all Danny ever has to do is reach out and wala.
Izzo… my goodness from all his vids you’d expect more than just walk straight into it. Hasn’t he learned, you don’t trade with a bigger guy who has longer arms…that’s the very nature of TRADE (meaning you get some as well as he)
Jin…Same deal, I mean come on man. He should Never duck his head with a half commitment and zero hand control.
Sifu Phu… The corny “no look” away and all his talk about spiraling…gone out the window under the pressure cooker.
After watching those 3, Danny could gain just as much fight experience slap boxing with a bunch of good athletes at the basketball court.
All these guys seem nice as heck and I want to support them…but I just can’t hold that in right now. I need a beer.
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Often Danny gets to plant his hand on their faces because from Fook he doesn’t strike with his elbow low - he raises it and his strike/slap/push rides over the other guys’ Bong.
Partly his height helps him with this angle… but still, it is interesting how the other guys struggle with this. IMO their Bong Sau is often too high to begin with, as I don’t see Bong as a block in this sense.
[QUOTE=Subitai;1254394]Ok after I saw that…I looked up Dannys page and saw all his other vids.
Doesn’t matter who he faces…(masters) he always just reaches out and slaps the masters in the face.[/QUOTE]
The particularly embarrassing thing about this is if you see his introductory video, he explains that he hardly has any formal training in wing chun or otherwise, just a few years with a random meet-up club and sparring various styles pretty much on his own. Yet he slaps around these “masters” with 14+ years of experience very easily. And amusingly all these “masters” are equally confident in themselves.
He says sifu Phu has a “lifetime experience” and is “one of the most skilled and knowledgeable sifus in America today”. Yet, while the guy talks a very good physics game, he gets handled like a little girl when it comes down to it. The look on his face showed he wasn’t enjoying himself and wished the camera wasn’t rolling. Probably the first time reality literally slapped him in the face, and that was just friendly chi-sau with an inexperienced fellow, not even fighting.
The sh!t people convince themselves of… :rolleyes:
Danny should be smart and realize he shouldn’t be wasting his time with these folks. He could have potential with a good trainer.
[QUOTE=LFJ;1254608]The sh!t people convince themselves of… :roll eyes: Danny should be smart and realize he shouldn’t be wasting his time with these folks.[/QUOTE]
Well, I have a sneaking suspicion that Danny knows full well what he’s doing - that under the friendliness (which looks genuine), he is more than happy to expose some of these guys as not being able to live up to their talk.
I mean, it is odd that he talks about how highly skilled and good they are, and then proceeds to stick his fingerprints all over their faces… and then afterwards he keeps talking about how good them are.
Hmm, maybe. It’s hard to believe he’d walk away impressed and with the same level of admiration for them.
Well, his first video on his channel 6 months ago was an attempt to bring light to footage of what is in his opinion good, effective wing chun which everyone talks about but never seems to get on film.
He seems to genuinely believe it and want to showcase it. So, you’d expect that to be his goal in traveling around and exchanging with wing chun “masters” (youtube celeb sifus) in the States, but it is actually further illustrating that most wing chun stops at the mouth.
He should pop into Gleason’s Gym and have a round with Kevin. 
Yep, this would be good to see.
Look, the wing chun blast series is nothing new. I’ve seen a few reality TV shows where basically they have the same format - go learn from a master and roll with them or have them train you to use it in a sparring format.
Overall I would like to see all of that continue. The format is good for the art even if the videos to date don’t seem to be. Danny hasn’t run into anyone yet who can just tie him up into a pretzel and own him in that chi sau drill, but there are a number of people who can do that out there. I would have thought more, but I guess the delusion is strong in the WCK community.
In this clip, Jin was trying to mix chi sau and grappling. It’s a good illustration of what not to do. You can’t go from just a straight chi sau bridge to crashing into people and try to tie up with them and take them down. You need to use skill. You need an entry point. Like for instance, say an angle. It would be much better if you just play normal chi sau until you can move your horse or your opponent’s horse to where you have a flanking position or angle. THEN do your takedowns from there. If you are just charging ahead trying to get underhooks or clinch that is a very poor strategy from a squared up chi sau position. You are going against their strength.
[QUOTE=Wayfaring;1254624]Look, the wing chun blast series is nothing new. I’ve seen a few reality TV shows where basically they have the same format - go learn from a master and roll with them or have them train you to use it in a sparring format.
Overall I would like to see all of that continue. The format is good for the art even if the videos to date don’t seem to be. Danny hasn’t run into anyone yet who can just tie him up into a pretzel and own him in that chi sau drill, but there are a number of people who can do that out there. I would have thought more, but I guess the delusion is strong in the WCK community.
In this clip, Jin was trying to mix chi sau and grappling. It’s a good illustration of what not to do. You can’t go from just a straight chi sau bridge to crashing into people and try to tie up with them and take them down. You need to use skill. You need an entry point. Like for instance, say an angle. It would be much better if you just play normal chi sau until you can move your horse or your opponent’s horse to where you have a flanking position or angle. THEN do your takedowns from there. If you are just charging ahead trying to get underhooks or clinch that is a very poor strategy from a squared up chi sau position. You are going against their strength.[/QUOTE]
or you could just realise that pummeling and clinch work is functional and a real time skill as such shouldnt be added to such an abstract and f8cked up platform…
[QUOTE=Frost;1254627]or you could just realise that pummeling and clinch work is functional and a real time skill as such shouldnt be added to such an abstract and f8cked up platform…[/QUOTE]
I agree. Chi-sau is not a natural drill. It’s not sparring, but a specific developmental drill. Adding something like grappling, and in such a nonsensical way, is maybe trying to be progressive but really missing the point.
[QUOTE=Frost;1254627]or you could just realise that pummeling and clinch work is functional and a real time skill as such shouldnt be added to such an abstract and f8cked up platform…[/QUOTE]
Why not? What type of hand fighting do you use engaging from the feet in wrestling before you get in close to be able to pummel and do clinch work? Is it better or worse for entry than the poon sau platform chi sau?
Functional is a matter of how you train it.