[QUOTE=monji112000;875174]are you talking about snapping the kick? or just bending the knee?[/QUOTE]
Pagan !!!
LOL !
Both
Typically, a kyokushin round kick is at its best when its a “combination” of the MT and the typical karate round kick.
Think being off to someones 45, off their left shoulder, your right hand on their left upper arm, your left hand on their left shoulder or left side of neck/collar, now thing delivering a rear left round kick ( or even a front left round kick), at that distance you woudl need a round kick with “more” snap and bend and “less” hip.
Notice I didn’t say NO HIP.
Think being off to someones 45, off their left shoulder, your right hand on their left upper arm, your left hand on their left shoulder or left side of neck/collar, now thing delivering a rear left round kick ( or even a front left round kick), at that distance you woudl need a round kick with “more” snap and bend and “less” hip.
Notice I didn’t say NO HIP.[/QUOTE]
Your position description is “mystifying” me… maybe it’s just my day to be “mystified”?
What doesn’t compute for me is the hand placements you mentioned.
Seems they’d get in the way.
Neither of the two examples used the hands as you indicated.
[QUOTE=bakxierboxer;875192]Very nice, but it doesn’t help.
Kyokushin named a kick after RD?
What doesn’t compute for me is the hand placements you mentioned.
Seems they’d get in the way.
Neither of the two examples used the hands as you indicated.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=monji112000;875153]WC and BJJ are both in their own worlds, very complicated. They both take allot of time to master and both “live” in two different worlds. If we are talking about practicality of training (IE time, effort ect..) Its going to take much more effort to train in both arts.
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True but I wouldn’t say MT is that much easier…
I said wrestling was a better choice for a few reasons… one explosiveness… positioning dominance, and clinching. You can have all of those in BJJ but its not the main focus (but it can be).
Its all about what you want to train for? a SD/street fight or a MMA fight? if your doing MMA then if you don’t do some type of submission based ground fighting system your really putting yourself at a disadvantage. If its SD/street fighting I would say that the core wrestling (position, clinching ect..) are most important. You just want to get back up and get out of whatever position you may be in. basic escapes from BJJ, and sweeps would also be good to train. But you don’t have to devote as much to ground fighting as standup. maybe 70/30. What you devote your time doing should be limited to the above mentioned areas. IE basically more or less wrestling.
I agree. I think I said something similar in my initial post.
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The MT round kick is a “long range” kick, typically at its best from just outside punching distance, whereas the correct distance for the karate round kick is from punching distance where, you will notice, the MT round is not so good.
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Well I think in MT they prefer punching them in the face when at punching distance. Kinda makes sense huh? WC is similar in that regard.
[QUOTE=bakxierboxer;875199]Early in that one those were knees, not roundhouses.
The closest to what you were describing was probably Ninomiya(?) at @3:20, the last technique.
In no case did they “cross” their arms as you decribed:
right hand to upper left arm
and
left arm to left shoulder
from a 45 degree angle to the opponent’s front left. (@ 4:22 “on the clock” face)[/QUOTE]
At 3:08-3:09 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nZQcWG4Guo
That is the position, see Where Asihara’s right and left hands are?
In this case his right is a tad lower than what I describe, but its the same principle, he is also more on a 90 than a 45 -tomato/tomahto, type of thing.
[QUOTE=Edmund;875240]Well I think in MT they prefer punching them in the face when at punching distance. Kinda makes sense huh? WC is similar in that regard.[/QUOTE]
LOL, yes I would agree, but everything in its proper context right?
Kicking from punching distance is not done “in your face” like punching, but typically off on an angle.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;875282]At 3:08-3:09 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nZQcWG4Guo
That is the position, see Where Asihara’s right and left hands are?
In this case his right is a tad lower than what I describe, but its the same principle, he is also more on a 90 than a 45 -tomato/tomahto, type of thing.[/QUOTE]
I wasn’t looking all that hard at the 90 degree stuff.
In any case, those still aren’t hand positions I would use.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;875283]LOL, yes I would agree, but everything in its proper context right?
Kicking from punching distance is not done “in your face” like punching, but typically off on an angle.[/QUOTE]
Wow! I’m sensing a bit of condescension in this guy’s posts!
Those high round kicks from punching, tie up range are common in kyokushinkai…I would almost go as far to say they’re almost an icon of it.
If you honestly don’t know what SR is talking about–or can’t understand it–or just don’t like it–it’s not his fault. It’s a simple hand placement and a simple kick…
[QUOTE=Vankuen;875337]Wow! I’m sensing a bit of condescension in this guy’s posts!
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If you honestly don’t know what SR is talking about–or can’t understand it–or just don’t like it–it’s not his fault. It’s a simple hand placement and a simple kick…[/QUOTE]
More like I don’t like the hand placement he wrote about.
WC is similar in that regard.
