How much force does it take to tear a muscle? Depends on the cross section. Sure it happens, but seldom by hand. You have to work mostly against the collagen in the muscle‘s connective tissue. I‘ve found 20 MPa as maximum for the ultimate tensile strength of skin, which should be similar. Rubber has 16, pine wood 40. Problem isn‘t as much snapping rubber, but the necessary grip strength. Meat is slippery.
I for one find his feat impressive.
I used to chin and elbow dig and grab skin to get guys to move their arms when I wrestled. We all did ! Of course don’t get caught. I use to grab the skin with the first row of knuckles after the finger tip like I was making a fist. Hard to spot and it only takes a second and elbows tend to move fast.
[QUOTE=boxerbilly;1287953]This makes me wonder all the more if Bawang was not onto something with WC is a knife art. It may not have begun that way. But, ideas may have been adopted based on a certain knife of the day. Somewhere that understand was possibly lost or forgot or just never discussed and so most know believe, it was never the case. Either could be right because as some have pointed out. WC history is somewhat murky.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely not. Wing chun is a spear art. Knives were bolted on between 90 and 125 years ago. Wrong knives and wrong approach for any earlier. Why learn a principle based ma with knives as the ultimate goal when different principles apply to the knives? Complete waste of time, lol. Knife based art starts with the knife and builds empty hand on, not other way around.
[QUOTE=guy b.;1288261]Absolutely not. Wing chun is a spear art. Knives were bolted on between 90 and 125 years ago. Wrong knives and wrong approach for any earlier. Why learn a principle based ma with knives as the ultimate goal when different principles apply to the knives? Complete waste of time, lol. Knife based art starts with the knife and builds empty hand on, not other way around.[/QUOTE]
Makes sense and that is your belief and probably many believe just that. Bawang said otherwise. So, I do not know but I wonder, does the possibility exist ? Bawangs WC friends believe so if I understood him correctly.
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There are several branches of modern tong bei.
They all require extreme flexibility around the shoulder/back/chest.
Most people think that they are striking methods only. Actually, there are many throws, too.
The basic stepping methods of deng and ta. It takes a lot of practice. There are a lot of jumps, too.
Flexibility all over your body and joints.
REAL TONG BEI BOXING: http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/01/19/gorillas-omaha-zoo-throw-punches-amazing-onlookers
BAD to the BONE : https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=aAOSiVmpHzg
Just found a concise definition of Tong Bi:
THROUGH-THE-ARM (another name for reaching punch):
Your right hand, starting out with its palm facing downward, sends out a reaching punch, your left hand bending in toward your chest. Then your left hand goes from below your right fist, also coming out as a reaching punch, your right hand bending in to your chest. Repeat this for a total of four punches. Your feet are in an alignment stance and go along with your reaching punches by pivoting side to side. Reaching punches should always be pointing as a vertical fist with the back of the hand slightly visible to you, for punching with the back of the hand facing outward [i.e. bending the wrist inward] is a bad habit that will lead to sprains.
Epitaph for Wang Zhengnan, Translation by Paul Brennan link
Can easily be found in the Shaolin Da Tong Bei form.
Now, is this western boxing? Those “far” punches are surely there, but this is hardly the definition of boxing, I think.
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Yes. There are many striking conditioning drills. Da Zhuang Da Dai. Strike cushioned poles and strike sand/bean/flour bags.
The stepping methods are very very important, too. So we placed several cushioned poles. We step and strike.
Tong Bei is considered as long fists.
Shaolin fist especially southern shaolin is considered as short fists.
Shaolin tong bi (as shown in video posted) are short fists derivative. They have nothing to do with Tong Bei.
Shi De Yang’s form does not seem that far removed from this
Same principle of power generation that Huang Baijia described in the epitaph.
Incidentally it is the same method that powered Bruce Lee’s famous one inch punch.
through the back means punching with abdominal bracing instead of relaxed. you learn this on the first day of kung fu class.
r u some sort of karate kenpo guy who is bicurious about kung fu
Kenpo is obscure and expensive around here. We’ve had this before - just some random crosstraining guy getting his kicks out of watching manly Kung Fu hunks like yourself.
Anyway, you could have told me so four months ago. All this “through the back” and “through the arm” seems to confuse a lot more people than just me.