[QUOTE=Hendrik;1112441]boss,
it is not a war
in exchange strike no one has time to think or have a shape or posture to follow…[/QUOTE]
When your opponent
You still need to follow your “plan” by using your “strength (which may not be your kicking and punching ability)” to solve the incoming problem.
By responsing punches with punches is “no plan”, the lowest level or combat strategy.
contradict to general believe about internal art
The following is the definition of internal art and why Xing Yi is internal art based on Kou Yin Shen.
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so one want to translate it?
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1112442]Plan can be changed which is different from “no intention”. When ancient Chinese said, “no intention”, I truly don’t know what that person was talking about. It’s so abstract and hardly to be able to apply in our daily life.[/QUOTE]
because you are not train in
[QUOTE=Scott R. Brown;1112436]This might be the problem, have you trained any external then?
Where did you get the idea that external practice is about planning ahead?
This is WAY not true!
The best fighters know how to respond spontaneously to unpredictable circumstances. This is part of all fighting, NOT just internal sytles![/QUOTE]
Well I should say most external, until trained reaction is attained, but then you get caught in predictable response.
The other guy gave the guide lines of the plan, not me.
Everyone has trained external, that is the way everyone starts out.
They show you a bunch of worthless techniques plus kicks executed while wearing no shoes and a gi, against the resistence of air, and then have you kick and punch a bag, and then put the gloves on you and tell you to do boxing and kicking on your opponent.
Its good exercise, and you get a good workout. But with no sensitity training you do not learn much.There is no corrective feed back loop, like doing Wing Chun chi sau or Tai Chi push hands, that training gives you a chance to correct your improper natural reactions.
[QUOTE=YiQuanOne;1112448]There is no corrective feed back loop, like doing Wing Chun chi sau or Tai Chi push hands, that training gives you a chance to correct your improper natural reactions.[/QUOTE]
you know, it is even more then the above
in brief means
spontaneous mind and body response, any part make the contact ,strike at that contact ,be it as far as fist or as close as the body. if one has shape and shadow that is not good kung fu.
So, spontaneous no thinking and no plan.
IE: one can plan but the punch missed. now what? in internal no pull back if the wrist touch the wrist deliver the strike. if the ass touch the ass do the strike. that is the reason for the Standing stake. standing stake is to implement the whole body is condition with the mind by passed as an explosive, any place made contact any place explode or fajing.
That is what it means by martial art is no longer martial art, intention is no longer intention, No martial art no intention is the true intention.
The issue is do one’s body-mind-momentum train to that level? there is no plan there is no time for next plan next move. in one move, if something missed it continously flow.
Thus, it says
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Qi link with intention could be evoke-able at any time, momentum not bound by structure and it is un-stopable flow.
a different way of fighting which is not the same with the plan execute correction…type. that is or proper transmission of internal art. clearly describe in Kou Yin Shen’s transmission. even Chen Taiji use it, take a look at CXW’s youtube when he examine fajing. he too use the term any part make the contact ,strike at that contact ,be it as far as fist or as close as the body.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1112449]
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actually, you still have plans, you still have tactics and strategy.
you just do not reveal them first to the opponent.
so that they may not see or predict.
you still strike the 3 sections of the opponent’s body (high, mid, low) without revealing your shape/posture/intention.
if the opponent is able to see your shape/posture/shadow/intention.
he will respond so that you may not be successful in what you are about to do.
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etc etc.
[QUOTE=SPJ;1112453]actually, you still have plans, you still have tactics and strategy.
you just do not reveal them first to the opponent.
so that they may not see or predict.
you still strike the 3 sections of the opponent’s body (high, mid, low) without revealing your shape/posture/intention.
if the opponent is able to see your shape/posture/shadow/intention.
he will respond so that you may not be successful in what you are about to do.
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etc etc.[/QUOTE]
plan is as good as first contact, after that what is the facts for anyone who fight with good fighter?
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1112431]if you were me, how will you present it?[/QUOTE]
I’d start by not telling every single person who disagreed with you that they just have no kung fu.
And I’d carry on from there to not directly attacking other people’s sifus.
[QUOTE=SimonM;1112456]I’d start by not telling every single person who disagreed with you that they just have no kung fu.
And I’d carry on from there to not directly attacking other people’s sifus.[/QUOTE]
Good, you have chance to present it here.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1112447]because you are not train in
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What bother me the most is some of the "internal’ discussion only talks about “solo” as if the word “opponent” is not even in their dictionary. If you live in Hermit Peak NM alone by yourself, why do you need to train TCMA for?
Am I the only person feel this way?
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1112479]What bother me the most is some of the "internal’ discussion only talks about “solo” as if the word “opponent” is not even in their dictionary. If you live in Hermit Peak NM alone by yourself, why do you need to train TCMA for?
Am I the only person feel this way?
you know,
I think because you are a SC guy, so you think the whole world has to be running according to the SC way. hahaha.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1112455]plan is as good as first contact, after that what is the facts for anyone who fight with good fighter?[/QUOTE]
If single leg take down is the only thing that you can do, it will be stupid for you to exchange punches against a boxer and forget that you are a wrestler.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1112480]you know,
I think because you are a SC guy, so you think the whole world has to be running according to the SC way. hahaha.[/QUOTE]
What’s your world then? Kumbaya?
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1112479]What bother me the most is some of the "internal’ discussion only talks about “solo” as if the word “opponent” is not even in their dictionary. If you live in Hermit Peak NM alone by yourself, why do you need to train TCMA for?
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chinese lingo has many meanings especially the old text.
the sentence is actually meant this way
fist has no fixed method,
intention has no fixed intention.
find true intention among no fixed intentions.
you hide them. or you vary them/fighting methods.
at first, you need to learn several methods, and then vary them. such as pi beng zhuan pao heng (Kou yun shen famed xing yi boxer).
the trick is that all start and end with san ti.
you may think I am going to pi from top down, I may actually beng in the mid level.
3 sections of the body.
you only see san ti, you do not know which of the 5 fists. i will be using.
b/c the start and end shape or xing and shadow (yin) may look the same to you.
that just a sentence that described the tactics and strategy of xing yi fists.
of course, you may apply the same to other styles.
my point is that
it is not a solo thinking.
it is very much dependent on your opponent.
there is another old saying, jian zhao chu zhao and jian zhao da zhao.
you see a move, you start your counter
you see a move, you destroy that move.
high level of xing yi, is that you do not see my fist methods, you do not know my intent, I do not show shape or shadow
etc etc.
b/c I vary them, I have no fixed methods. I hide my fist and intents among many and varied fists and intents.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1112482]What’s your world then? Kumbaya?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3MiD_U4CHQ[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SPJ;1112487]I have no fixed methods. [/QUOTE]
I do. My favor method is to get your leading leg, and then to get your back leg. When I have both of your legs, you have no place to go but fall down to the ground. It’s such a simple method but how many different ways can you get your opponent’s leading bleg (M)? How many different ways can you get your opponent’s back leg (N)? There are M x N different combinations just for a simple method like this.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1112480]I think because you are a SC guy, so you think the whole world has to be running according to the SC way. hahaha.[/QUOTE]
Do you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe9Q4Ecy8xI
the answers my friend in french, german, spanish, and japanese.
instant classic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yplMhdc9NSo&feature=related
zhou xin chi in agent ling ling qi light paint (the same sound of 007)
he disguised as a butcher that sells pork. he may split a fly with a knife.
he was a decoy to lure out the real target.
he fell in love with her target/assasin.
action, singing/lousy but funny music, romance, gun/knife—
instant classic comedy.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1112495]Do you:
what is that related with Xing Yi, Yiquan which is the topic of this thread?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRaMTosgj3k
johnny cash powerful message for peace.
kind of weird but powerful.
“blowing in the wind”. the most famed antiwar or peace song.
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