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[QUOTE=Hendrik;1112405]

Kou Yin Shen said

martial art is no longer martial art, intention is no longer intention, No martial art no intention is the true intention.[/QUOTE]
As far as , here is some statement from one of his students.

  • My teacher’s teacher could spit out a sword from his mouth and kill his enemy 1000 miles away (excellent skill).
  • My teacher could spit out a sword from his mouth and kill his enemy 100 feet away (get worse).
  • I can spit out a nuts and hit on a tree 10 feet away (get even worse). Since my high blood pressure, I no longer be able to do that (refuse to prove it).

I just can’t believe that this is the kind of fairy tales that you believe in. :frowning:

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[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1112387]I’m sorry to say that this kind of thinking will bring TCMA all the way down to hell. Combat is to

  • plan ahead of time.
  • hide your preparation without letting your opponent know.
  • set your oponent up.
  • bring your opponent into your trap.
  • use your strength to against your opponent’s weakness.
  • use your opponent’s leading arm to jam his back arm.
  • give your opponent as little choices as possible.
  • …

How can you say that “no intention is the true intention”?

When GWB attacked Iraq, did GWB have “intention”?[/QUOTE]

a lot of good ideas brought up in this thread, but they got all tangled up.

there are these debats since time immemorial (can not be remembered, or long and long time ago).

  1. observe first, let the opponent start, we follow and respond/counter. we passively respond. (tai Ji)

  2. we fight our way, and let the opponent go into our trap, we actively guide the fight. (mantis, tong bei—)

both are correct.

  1. hard power but lost speed. one strike is enough for KO. (ba ji)

  2. rapid speed but less power. strike after strike till the opponent’s out. (tong bei)

but are correct.

5 internal is very important but only if you have a good external base first.

6 there is limit to external training, there is no limit in internal training

both are correct.

carry on.

:slight_smile:

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[QUOTE=Hendrik;1112405]
So that is the Xing Yi tranditional proper transmission like it or not.
[/QUOTE]

More pedantic posturing. I’m beginning to wonder if you even realize that your posts read that way.

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[QUOTE=Hendrik;1112405]and since we talk about Xing Yi …[/QUOTE]
First you said, “you don’t do Chinese Internal Martial art”. Now you talk about XingYi. Sorry that I only started my XingYi when I was 15 years old. I assume I’m not qualified to discuss the XingYi system. By the way I also train Bagua (only 8 palms) as well.

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[QUOTE=SPJ;1112407]a lot of good ideas brought up in this thread, but they got all tangled up.[/QUOTE]

Any discussion will be more fun than just “internal power generation”.

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YKW is one generation ahead of me.

when he was in high school and shuai jiao

I was like still in open pants or kai dang gu.

so when he said something I listen.

:cool:

xing yi is like a big truck or tank, you keep going and going

it is like in your face and still going.

tai ji is like circling and circling, retreat and back/forward

ba gua is like walking in a serpentine (snake) path.

they all have both external and internal aspect of training.

standing stake is only part of it and not all of it.

ba gua has holding a heavy metal ball.

tai ji has lifting heavy weight, too.

xing yi has heavy punch or striking, too.

–

end of rants.

:slight_smile:

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[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1112406]As far as , here is some statement from one of his students.

  • My teacher’s teacher could spit out a sword from his mouth and kill his enemy 1000 miles away.
  • My teacher could spit out a sword from his mouth and kill his enemy 100 feet away (get worse).
  • I can spit out a nuts and hit on a tree 10 feet away (get even worse). Since my high blood pressure, I no longer be able to do that (refuse to prove it).

I just can’t believe that this is the kind of fairy tales that you believe in. :([/QUOTE]

you know,

martial art is no longer martial art, intention is no longer intention, No martial art no intention is the true intention.

in its basic level
just means be spontaneous in mind and body no predetermination

what is the big deal?

why is such a big deal to keep step on TCMA tradition and Xing Yi’s ancestor Kou Yin Shen?

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[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1112414]First you said, “you don’t do Chinese Internal Martial art”. Now you talk about XingYi. Sorry that I only started my XingYi when I was 15 years old. I assume I’m not qualified to discuss the XingYi system. By the way I also train Bagua (only 8 palms) as well.[/QUOTE]

when we talk about Xing Yi, dont we have to based on the facts from the Xing Yi ancestors?

if the discussion is center in oneself that is misleading and also lots of ego.

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[QUOTE=Hendrik;1112428]when we talk about Xing Yi, dont we have to based on the facts from the Xing Yi ancestors?

if the discussion is center in oneself that is misleading and also lots of ego.[/QUOTE]

If you are so concerned about ego, why do you not attend to your own?

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[QUOTE=Hendrik;1112424]why is such a big deal to keep step on TCMA tradition and Xing Yi’s ancestor Kou Yin Shen?[/QUOTE]

Because those statement will lead TCMA futher away from the “combat reality”.

As far as Kou Yin Shen, I just quoted what his student’s wrote in one issue of the magazine (from HK).

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[QUOTE=SimonM;1112409]More pedantic posturing. I’m beginning to wonder if you even realize that your posts read that way.[/QUOTE]

if you were me, how will you present it?

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[QUOTE=Hendrik;1112424]you know,

martial art is no longer martial art, intention is no longer intention, No martial art no intention is the true intention.

in its basic level
just means be spontaneous in mind and body no predetermination

what is the big deal?

why is such a big deal to keep step on TCMA tradition and Xing Yi’s ancestor Kou Yin Shen?[/QUOTE]

Because if you practice external it is not spontaneous, you have to try to think out your plan ahead of time, so if you pick the wrong plan you are in trouble.

There is more monkey mind slow thinking in external practice.

I would say a lot of execution stages are spontaneous, but still picking a set of moves and combinations ahead of time with a strategy.

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[QUOTE=Hendrik;1112431]if you were me, how will you present it?[/QUOTE]

I will not separate “theory” from “combat reality”. When you said:

  • no intention is intention,
  • no love is love,
  • no good is good,
  • …

You just make thing even more confused.

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[QUOTE=YiQuanOne;1112432]Because if you practice external it is not spontaneous, you have to try to think out your plan ahead of time, so if you pick the wrong plan you are in trouble.

There is more monkey mind slow thinking in external practice.

I would say a lot of execution stages are spontaneous, but still picking a set of moves and combinations ahead of time with a strategy.[/QUOTE]

may be it is better for you to read my previous posts and have a good understanding before going your way.

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[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1112433]I will not separate “theory” from “combat reality”. When you said:

  • no intention is intention,
  • no love is love,
  • no good is good,
  • …

You just make thing even more confused.[/QUOTE]

Ok. now present Kou Yin Shen teaching in your words.

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[QUOTE=YiQuanOne;1112432]Because if you practice external it is not spontaneous, you have to try to think out your plan ahead of time, so if you pick the wrong plan you are in trouble.

There is more monkey mind slow thinking in external practice.

I would say a lot of execution stages are spontaneous, but still picking a set of moves and combinations ahead of time with a strategy.[/QUOTE]

This might be the problem, have you trained any external then?

Where did you get the idea that external practice is about planning ahead?

This is WAY not true!

The best fighters know how to respond spontaneously to unpredictable circumstances. This is part of all fighting, NOT just internal sytles!

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[QUOTE=YiQuanOne;1112432] if you pick the wrong plan you are in trouble.[/QUOTE]

You are confused between offense (you attack first) and defense (your opponent attacks first). When GWB sent his troops to attack Irag, he didn’t just send his soldiers spontaneously and let them to attack wherever they like.

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[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1112438]You are confused between offense (you attack first) and defense (your opponent attacks first). When GWB sent his troops to attack Irag, he didn’t just send his soldiers spontaneously.[/QUOTE]

True, but every soldier knows that the execution of the best laid plans rarely follow the original plan. The goal does not necessarily change, but the way you get there changes according to immediate circumstances. Thus “spontaneous response” to changing circumstances!:wink:

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[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1112438]You are confused between offense (you attack first) and defense (your opponent attacks first). When GWB sent his troops to attack Irag, he didn’t just send his soldiers spontaneously and let them to attack wherever they like.[/QUOTE]

boss,

it is not a war

in exchange strike no one has time to think or have a shape or posture to follow…

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Plan can be changed which is different from “no intention”. When ancient Chinese said, “no intention”, I truly don’t know what that person was talking about. It’s so abstract and hardly to be able to apply in our daily life.