[QUOTE=YiQuanOne;1112314]If your instructor is good , how come you know so little?.[/QUOTE]
Let’s not get the instructor in.
it is just a technical discussion. I am totally open for anyone to really technically discuss the pro and con of yiquan or anything.
2 things
Hence why you start slow, and dont try so hard, just let it happen. 
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1112320]Let’s not get the instructor in.
it is just a technical discussion. I am totally open for anyone to really technically discuss the pro and con of yiquan or anything.[/QUOTE]
The guy dosn’t have enough knowledge to participate in discussion.
Maybe his instructor has not told him yet because he is not ready.
I agree about the levels of sung. I agree I need to be more sung. BUT as far as multi dimensional force vectors are a mechanism of the body, so they can be explained. Unless your just saying its qi. then its not a mechanism of the body but something more.
multi-dimentional force vectors is a different stuffs with Qi.
multi-dimentional force vectors playing just means one is aware and manipulate the multi-dimentional force vectors in ALL direction in the same time at once.
unless your body is transform that way, you mind will not be able to comprehend what this means.
My understanding of dong jing is understanding jing, not meaning to understand jing, but to understand your opponent. You can train that simply by watching dust fly as you sweep a room. its ability to understand your opponent. first its in push hands, then its without contact, then its knowing what your opponent is doing before they do it. I have some understanding jing, just havent mastered it yet.
That is your brain and mind’s speculation. get to the levitation level and then experience what it is. speculation is only lead you into trouble and really useless when facing a strong non linear momentum.
[B]power doesnt comes from body structure.
In physics, power is the rate at which work is performed or energy is converted.
This above just show you are not in the Dong Jing level yet and doing the same with the external art people.
[/B] – hendrik
If you do not have body structure. you can be easily pushed over. I hope your not serious about that.
Those body structure stuffs as my brother sifu Robert Chu brought up in WCK’s world to educate people are just beginner stuffs. those are static and external.
in the real figthing everything is keep changing and moving so one needs to get into the Dynamic level where no forms. as it says
,
Qi link with intention could be evoke-able at any time, momentum not bound by structure and it is un-stopable flow."
Finally, we just cant be naive. there are lots of stuffs and level to go…that is kung fu a life long journey. I am not even a Yiquan or Taiji guy, I am a Wing Chun guy. and I see so much benifit these others art offer.
Im aware Im not at the top yet. My short term goal is just to be able to beat my teacher. But I dont want to spend time training things that are not practical. I sink standng and moving. If there is a straight force coming in, moving, I can stop it, If its a circle force, I move into it, if they grab, I flow with it. All while sinking so they cannot push me back. Even if were struck, we train to take the punch, and go with it, either let it roll off or move with it, and use that momentum to strike, for example, they connect with your in the stomache, bend and let it come in, use play the lute to break the arm. We also do iron wire for that. But saying that one day I will get to a level where I can stand up without sinking and no one can move me is not practical and I wouldnt risk training with that in mind. Sinking is not part of a form, and practicing forms is to become formless.
[QUOTE=tiaji1983;1112333]Im aware Im not at the top yet. My short term goal is just to be able to beat my teacher.
But I dont want to spend time training things that are not practical. I sink standng and moving. If there is a straight force coming in, moving, I can stop it, If its a circle force, I move into it, if they grab, I flow with it.
All while sinking so they cannot push me back. Even if were struck, we train to take the punch, and go with it, either let it roll off or move with it, and use that momentum to strike, for example, they connect with your in the stomache, bend and let it come in, use play the lute to break the arm.
We also do iron wire for that. But saying that one day I will get to a level where I can stand up without sinking and no one can move me is not practical and I wouldnt risk training with that in mind. Sinking is not part of a form, and practicing forms is to become formless.[/QUOTE]
anyone who does internal art knows, one just surrender and let God make the call. the rest is false thinking and ego.
Good luck in you path.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1112335]one just surrender and let God make the call. [/QUOTE]
Here’s the crux of your problem right here.
Any martial art that leaves it in the hand of the invisible sky giant is fundamentally flawed.
[QUOTE=SimonM;1112340]Here’s the crux of your problem right here.
Any martial art that leaves it in the hand of the invisible sky giant is fundamentally flawed.[/QUOTE]
i don’t think hendriks is referring to an invisible sky giant when talking about god.
without getting too much into defining “God” or going into philosophy or whatever, what we do know is that in learning martial arts, conquering one’s ego is paramount, for it often obscure our view of reality and hides the obvious solutions.
I don’t know enough about, nor have I trained in, Yi Quan / Da Cheng Quan, to comment about the system.
However I do enjoy ZZ practice and find it beneficial.
[QUOTE=SimonM;1112340]Here’s the crux of your problem right here.
Any martial art that leaves it in the hand of the invisible sky giant is fundamentally flawed.[/QUOTE]
Speaking of Chinese internal practice,
If this is Chinese forum I would use the word Dao.
since it is an western forum I use the word God.
Let Go and Let God be or surrender to God has no different with the following.
Chapter 29 --Dao De Ching
Do you want to improve the world?
I don’t think it can be done.
The world is sacred.
It can’t be improved.
If you tamper with it, you’ll ruin it.
If you treat it like an object, you’ll lose it.
There is a time for being ahead,
a time for being behind;
a time for being in motion,
a time for being at rest;
a time for being vigorous,
a time for being exhausted;
a time for being safe,
a time for being in danger.
The Master sees things as they are,
without trying to control them.
She lets them go their own way,
and resides at the center of the circle.
also, anyone who really cultivate internal art knows ,
mind is quiet, let natural take its corse and never using Yi to force it. otherwise, one is going to run fire and enter demon.
as I have mention previously on
proper transmission or .
Proper transmission and proper practice means one follow one single teaching. .mind is quiet, let natural take its corse
also as it said,
martial art is no longer martial art, intention is no longer intention, No martial art no intention is the true intention.
When one’s martial art kung fu attain to the level of transformation
any move has the fighting effect and result.
There is no need in any posture or shape.
There is no need to make any kind of preparation in one’s mind.
So, without cultivating . mind is quiet, let natural take its corse, there is no way to arrive at .
proper transmission means start from the day one until the rest of the life one only perfecting one thing. instead of doing one thing, thinking another, and dreaming another.
so, if you speaking other stuffs? I dont know, but speaking Chinese Internal martial art training, again, you missed the proper transmission or heart method.
any one wants the real deal that is how the real deal goes for Internal cultivation.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1112330]multi-dimentional force vectors is a different stuffs with Qi.
multi-dimentional force vectors playing just means one is aware and manipulate the multi-dimentional force vectors in ALL direction in the same time at once.
unless your body is transform that way, you mind will not be able to comprehend what this means.
That is your brain and mind’s speculation. get to the levitation level and then experience what it is. speculation is only lead you into trouble and really useless when facing a strong non linear momentum.
Those body structure stuffs as my brother sifu Robert Chu brought up in WCK’s world to educate people are just beginner stuffs. those are static and external.
in the real figthing everything is keep changing and moving so one needs to get into the Dynamic level where no forms. as it says
,
Qi link with intention could be evoke-able at any time, momentum not bound by structure and it is un-stopable flow."
Finally, we just cant be naive. there are lots of stuffs and level to go…that is kung fu a life long journey. I am not even a Yiquan or Taiji guy, I am a Wing Chun guy. and I see so much benifit these others art offer.[/QUOTE]
It must take some efforts to keep this pigeon English stuffs going. I hope the roleplay is getting you something. It’s ok - I know 
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1112372]
martial art is no longer martial art, intention is no longer intention, No martial art no intention is the true intention.[/QUOTE]
I’m sorry to say that this kind of thinking will bring TCMA all the way down to hell. Combat is to
How can you say that “no intention is the true intention”?
When GWB attacked Iraq, did GWB have “intention”?
[QUOTE=Water-quan;1112384]It must take some efforts to keep this pigeon English stuffs going. I hope the roleplay is getting you something. It’s ok - I know ;)[/QUOTE]
I dont know what you are talking about. but I am always open for suggestion.
[QUOTE=Northwind;1112354]
However I do enjoy ZZ practice and find it beneficial.[/QUOTE]
Me too.
Makes you stronger, builds good focus.
Too much though…not so good.
10 min. on training days (20 min on "active rest"days) is more than enough.
Train Hard,
Josh Skinner
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1112387]I’m sorry to say that this kind of thinking will bring TCMA all the way down to hell. Combat is to
How can you say that “no intention is the true intention”? When GWB attacked Iraq, did GWB have “intention”?[/QUOTE]
what the Chinese ancestor address is not thinking, that is beyond thinking.
it is asking one to get to the state that everything is martial effective and one can make use of every situation as water just flow.
unless one has attain the transformation state to drop one’s mind and use the awareness. one really dont know.
You know where your fear and stress comes? it comes from you are afraid your plan fail. also can life be plan ahead? you think so but what is the facts?
if you want to talk war, I dont know. but if you want to talk Chinese Internal art then that is how it is as it is.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1112397]if you want to talk war, I dont know. but if you want to talk Chinese Internal art then that is how it is as it is.[/QUOTE]
TCMA (include ICMA and ECMA) = combat = war.
When you are facing your opponent, if you want to move to your left (or right), which leg to move first depends on how far and what angle that your opponent are in front of you. How can you make a move without “intention”?
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1112398]TCMA (include ICMA and ECMA) = combat = war.[/QUOTE]
Yes, thank you.
Which brings us full circle - if you want to be combat effective you have to be capable physically and psychologically of combat.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1112398]TCMA (include ICMA and ECMA) = combat = war.[/QUOTE]
that is you and fine with me.
But you dont represent Chinese tradition and you dont do Chinese Internal Martial art.
could some one translate the following general examples
:
Since I am not these people above, ask them are can they fight.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1112401]you dont do Chinese Internal Martial art. …[/QUOTE]
I started my Taiji training when I was 7 years old. Yes! I don’t do Chinese Internal Martial art that “walk above the cloud”.
Sorry that I don’t believe in fairy tales. Have you heard about the story of ? My teacher had seen his demo.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1112404]I started my Taiji training when I was 7 years old. Yes! I don’t do your kind of Chinese Internal Martial art and that’s for sure. Soory that I don’t believe in fairy tales.[/QUOTE]
Kou Yin Shen speak on Xing Yi by Sun Lu-Dang
Kou Yin Shen said
martial art is no longer martial art, intention is no longer intention, No martial art no intention is the true intention.
http://www.360doc.com/content/11/0515/10/5409795_116815091.shtml
So that is the Xing Yi tranditional proper transmission like it or not.
and since we talk about Xing Yi and Yiquan here. so need to follow what is the proper transmission to present what it is instead of other view.