is this facts?

YouKnowWho just give up. There’s none so deaf as those who don’t want to hear and Hendrik doesn’t want anybody interfering in his fantasy world where anybody who does things even one iota differently from him is wrong.

He is a lost cause. He isn’t a fighter, he isn’t even a larper. He’s just a pedant who tried too hard to conflate his martial practice with his spiritual beliefs and ended up with a confused jumble of self-contradictions.

“Qi isn’t magic but it isn’t rooted in body mechanics either. Instead it is something you can only know through immediate experience.”

Followed by “If you disagree with me you are wrong, you clearly have not had that experience but it transcends words so I can only describe it by couching it in the metaphor of the ‘ancients.’”

Considering Xingyi can only be reliably traced back to Dai Longbang (Who died in 1801), unless you buy into the Yue Fei myth - for which we have only third-hand accounts - the style is really only about 250 years old, hardly ancient.

As for Yiquan it is less than a century old.

Ultimately Hendrik’s argument is a ham-fisted attempt to shoe-horn martial arts into Ch’an. I say ham-fisted because he’s so attached to the underlying premise - that the way IMA generates power is fundamentally different from the way other martial arts generate power and fundamentally superior - that he can’t realize that immediate experience, in this case, involves people like you and I training with wrestlers, training with Xingyi sifus, training with other people in general, experiencing how power is generated, how balance works, how a body roots and is unrooted.

You buy the myth that IMA gives you roots that can never be pulled up and then you fear to test it ever because, underneath the attachment you feel to that myth you suspect it is an illusion.

Hendrik is approaching this discussion from a religious position even if that isn’t his intent. Arguing with him is as futile as arguing with any other religious zealot.

hendrik is a wing chun guy. last year he said he trained emei snake boxing. now hes a master of yiquan and copies and pastes from some chinese guys blog.

lol x10

He is probably a bit psycho!

[QUOTE=SPJ;1112554]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRaMTosgj3k

johnny cash powerful message for peace.

kind of weird but powerful.

“blowing in the wind”. the most famed antiwar or peace song.

:cool:

back to regular discussion

:D[/QUOTE]

Yes. that is how is it… human..

[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1112283]
In the following clip, you can see good Fajin there. Can you see how long it take to generate that power? Is that combat realistic at all?[/QUOTE]

Is an airstrike combat realistic if it takes half an hour to call in?

Maybe that Fajin is a finishing strike that has to be set up right. For example you accept opponent’s strike with a block-deflect that also is the compression phase for a counter.

Just guesses here. I’m new on the forum and realize I’m butting in. just curious how people think, I don’t know much.

[QUOTE=rett;1112574]Is an airstrike combat realistic if it takes half an hour to call in?

Maybe that Fajin is a finishing strike that has to be set up right. For example you accept opponent’s strike with a block-deflect that also is the compression phase for a counter.

Just guesses here. I’m new on the forum and realize I’m butting in. just curious how people think, I don’t know much.[/QUOTE]

when you express power in the air without any receiving objects or people

you may only do 5% or less. b/c your body has to absorb or rebalance all the power you just generated. mostly in your joints.

so you have to use a bag, dummy or sparring partner.

etc etc

in short I do not believe in fully expression of full power in the air.

that is another religion or mis belief deeply rooted in many novice or non MA people.

especially for tai ji and ba ji.

sad really sad.

science and physics are laws of nature

one has to do it and feel it first hand as pointed out.

:frowning:

the chinese said, “” or " seeing a movement from those who has master the art , one will know are there true mastery."

here, seems that it is only

or only fill with empty big name without any content.

so,
instead of finding what is a fact of Xing Yi and Yiquan according to the proper source, the agenda is always just trying to boost one’s ego whether one has a clue on the topic or not.

[QUOTE=SimonM;1112560]YouKnowWho just give up. There’s none so deaf as those who don’t want to hear and Hendrik doesn’t want anybody interfering in his fantasy world where anybody who does things even one iota differently from him is wrong.

He is a lost cause. He isn’t a fighter, he isn’t even a larper. He’s just a pedant who tried too hard to conflate his martial practice with his spiritual beliefs and ended up with a confused jumble of self-contradictions.

“Qi isn’t magic but it isn’t rooted in body mechanics either. Instead it is something you can only know through immediate experience.”

Followed by “If you disagree with me you are wrong, you clearly have not had that experience but it transcends words so I can only describe it by couching it in the metaphor of the ‘ancients.’”

Considering Xingyi can only be reliably traced back to Dai Longbang (Who died in 1801), unless you buy into the Yue Fei myth - for which we have only third-hand accounts - the style is really only about 250 years old, hardly ancient.

As for Yiquan it is less than a century old.

Ultimately Hendrik’s argument is a ham-fisted attempt to shoe-horn martial arts into Ch’an. I say ham-fisted because he’s so attached to the underlying premise - that the way IMA generates power is fundamentally different from the way other martial arts generate power and fundamentally superior - that he can’t realize that immediate experience, in this case, involves people like you and I training with wrestlers, training with Xingyi sifus, training with other people in general, experiencing how power is generated, how balance works, how a body roots and is unrooted.

You buy the myth that IMA gives you roots that can never be pulled up and then you fear to test it ever because, underneath the attachment you feel to that myth you suspect it is an illusion.

Hendrik is approaching this discussion from a religious position even if that isn’t his intent. Arguing with him is as futile as arguing with any other religious zealot.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=rett;1112574]Is an airstrike combat realistic if it takes half an hour to call in?

Maybe that Fajin is a finishing strike that has to be set up right. For example you accept opponent’s strike with a block-deflect that also is the compression phase for a counter.

Just guesses here. I’m new on the forum and realize I’m butting in. just curious how people think, I don’t know much.[/QUOTE]

what is fajing? what does CXW explaining?
do one really know? if not then what to think?

what people think, what you think, what I think, it doesnt matter at all. in fact all the think are just ego driven because every one want their 5cents to be heard and praise.

when one cant even shut down one’s chatting mind and observe what others do, that is blind.

xing yi is still used for club, da dao and bayonet

in chinese army, police, military police

in hk, taiwan, singapore also.

:cool:

I like wang xi an

he is more plain, to the point, a big school with many students, writing books and compiling notes, nothing showy or flashy.

i collected most of his work/books.

I also like wang pei sheng and his videos, books etc on wu tai ji.


these are people of our time.

wang pei sheng just passed away a few years back.


[QUOTE=SimonM;1112560]YouKnowWho just give up. There’s none so deaf as those who don’t want to hear and Hendrik doesn’t want anybody interfering in his fantasy world where anybody who does things even one iota differently from him is wrong.

He is a lost cause. He isn’t a fighter, he isn’t even a larper. He’s just a pedant who tried too hard to conflate his martial practice with his spiritual beliefs and ended up with a confused jumble of self-contradictions.

“Qi isn’t magic but it isn’t rooted in body mechanics either. Instead it is something you can only know through immediate experience.”

Followed by “If you disagree with me you are wrong, you clearly have not had that experience but it transcends words so I can only describe it by couching it in the metaphor of the ‘ancients.’”

Considering Xingyi can only be reliably traced back to Dai Longbang (Who died in 1801), unless you buy into the Yue Fei myth - for which we have only third-hand accounts - the style is really only about 250 years old, hardly ancient.

As for Yiquan it is less than a century old.

Ultimately Hendrik’s argument is a ham-fisted attempt to shoe-horn martial arts into Ch’an. I say ham-fisted because he’s so attached to the underlying premise - that the way IMA generates power is fundamentally different from the way other martial arts generate power and fundamentally superior - that he can’t realize that immediate experience, in this case, involves people like you and I training with wrestlers, training with Xingyi sifus, training with other people in general, experiencing how power is generated, how balance works, how a body roots and is unrooted.

You buy the myth that IMA gives you roots that can never be pulled up and then you fear to test it ever because, underneath the attachment you feel to that myth you suspect it is an illusion.

Hendrik is approaching this discussion from a religious position even if that isn’t his intent. Arguing with him is as futile as arguing with any other religious zealot.[/QUOTE]

I think you should give up, you don’t have any real knowledge to add to this thread.

Go ask you Sifu why you don’t know. If he don’t know then we know why you don’t know.

Some people are trying to understand things they might not know.

Instead of drowning in their ignorance.

[QUOTE=SPJ;1112617]I like wang xi an

he is more plain, to the point, a big school with many students, writing books and compiling notes, nothing showy or flashy.

i collected most of his work/books.

I also like wang pei sheng and his videos, books etc on wu tai ji.


these are people of our time.

wang pei sheng just passed away a few years back.

—[/QUOTE]

I like Wang Pei Sheng too. I like his details and his reveal in medirian vesus motion relationship. a great master who really knows.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf0DNMElas8

Also, Ma li-Tang who associate with a lots of the old timers, who has worked with lots of internal artist including Wang Xiang Zai of YiQuan to make a summarization on standing stake…

http://baike.baidu.com/view/67463.htm
http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_4c04eb7d0100bz24.html

without his teaching I would not be able to sit here and typing. that is how much he had help me.

[QUOTE=Scott R. Brown;1112571]He is probably a bit psycho![/QUOTE]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVZClxWy0TM&feature=player_embedded

[QUOTE=YiQuanOne;1112638]I think you should give up, you don’t have any real knowledge (put you down) to add to this thread.

Go ask you Sifu why you don’t know (put you down the 2nd time). If he don’t know (put your teacher down) then we know why you don’t know (put you down the 3rd time).

Some people are trying to understand things they might not know (put you down the 4th time).

Instead of drowning in their ignorance (put you down the 5th time).[/QUOTE]
In one post, you had put people down 5 times and also put their teacher down once. Where else can we find friendly discussion like this?

You express your opinion and we express ours. There is no need to attack others and their teachers.

[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1112650]I think you should give up, you don’t have any real knowledge (put you down) to add to this thread.

Go ask you Sifu why you don’t know (put you down the 2nd time). If he don’t know (put your teacher down) then we know why you don’t know (put you down the 3rd time).

Some people are trying to understand things they might not know (put you down the 4th time).

Instead of drowning in their ignorance (put you down the 5th time).

In one post, he had put you down 5 times and also put your teacher down once. Where else can we find friendly discussion like this?[/QUOTE]

Pretty much nowhere but the internet. Anywhere else he’d have been stared down, walked out on or punched in the schnoz by this point. But that strategy, refusing to engage in discussion, repeatedly dissing me and my sifu, have made me lose any shreds of respect I might have had for him.

in response to YKW:

it is only an internet forum

We are only exchanging viewpoints

from our personal experience (1st reference)

from our learning from a good teacher (2nd reference)

from reading books or viewing videos from good teachers of our time (3rd reference)

from historical writing (4th reference)

from other that are doing the same style/stuff (5th reference)

it is only having conversation

:smiley:

[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1112650]In one post, you had put people down 5 times and also put their teacher down once. Where else can we find friendly discussion like this?

You express your opinion and I express mine. There is no need to attack others and their teachers.[/QUOTE]

What is the point to pour oil on fire?

back to the xing yi and Yi quan topic.

[QUOTE=Hendrik;1112657]What is the point to pour oil on fire?[/QUOTE]

Never get other’s teacher involved. This is a big NO NO.

[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1112658]Never get other’s teacher involved.[/QUOTE]

respect.

:cool:

[QUOTE=SPJ;1112659]respect.

:cool:[/QUOTE]

Um, yeah, absolutely.