i was just wondering if anyone on here could clear up my puzzled querry. I was doing some research on the tinternet regarding tantui and its history, mainly of where and when it was founded and who by. Some sites state that tantui is a chinese moslem art where as others state it comes from the northern shaolin temple.
i’m a little confused:confused: any help or any individual thoughts would be much appreciated.
Kind Regards.
Giuseppe
It is a Northern Moslem art that somehow got mixed into Shaolin temple.
[QUOTE=RD’S Alias - 1A;843159]It is a Northern Moslem art that somehow got mixed into Shaolin temple.[/QUOTE]
they adopted it because of the milatary line drill format of the warrior muslem gung fu…I think I read that in an old chinese tantuit book at the library…
Yeah, that sounds about right to me.
thanks guys, for your input. Now i just have one more question regarding tantui. Is it practiced in the sense of say Kata in Karate, where you are attacking and defending against invisible opponents? I know it sounds a bit stupid but i was wondering what Tantui signifies.
thanks again.
I suppose you could, but it’s really more for conditioning and body mechanics training. You should practice against real opponent, not imaginary.
Take the individual techniques out of the form and work them as individual techniques with your training partners. When doing the solo form, focus your intent on perfecting the body method (Mechanics) of the art.
Tan tui is swamp/lake leg/fist.
or bouncy leg/fist.
there are many forms/routines including weapons.
it is a school/style of fighting methods.
there are 8, 10, 12, roads tan tui routines. these are commonly known.
however, there are more other stuff.
some are passing down, some are lost.
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norther shaolin arts
referring not only to song shan shao lin temple, but also many other temples that are related or under its auspice.
there are many shao lin related temples thruout northern china such as those in shan dong etc .
shaolin used to be a geographical center of northern china.
many people travel and be a guest there.
it is an exchange and preservation ground for many martial arts.
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[QUOTE=diego;843171]they adopted it because of the milatary line drill format of the warrior muslem gung fu…I think I read that in an old chinese tantuit book at the library…[/QUOTE]
I think the Idea of the roads comes from the military line drill. I read some where that the creator of tan tui was a muslin soldier serving in the Chinese Amy fighting the Wokou & probably served under General Qi Jiguang or Yu Dayou.
back when i did hung kune (really terrible teacher) we all had to learn tam tui before progressing on to the made up animal sets and eventually tiger crane etc (although for some reason taming the tiger wasnt included)
anyway i got up to about the 8th road and found it of little or no help to my sparring or self defence needs with the two man drills having little to do with fighting at all
Greetings,
SPJ:
Could you elaborate on the “more other stuff” please?
mickey
anyway i got up to about the 8th road and found it of little or no help to my sparring or self defence needs with the two man drills having little to do with fighting at all
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That is because you had a crappy teacher. Tan Tui is a Northern art, and fights totally different than Hun Gar does, so it’s a conflicting methodology. Sounds like your teacher was just using it as a leg/kicking drill, and was not really diving deep into it as a fighting system all it’s own. If you had a real Tan Tui teacher who could show you the usage I am sure you would see quite a bit of value in the art.
http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/34466342.html
forgot the links.
but the link above from baidu has good info, too.
a. lake leg;
it is from tang dynasty, there are 10 roads.
xian ji chan monk from shaolin learned ling qing tan tui in ming dynasty.
he took tan tui to shaolin and added 2 more roads. in exchange, he taught shaolin luohan fist to shan dong ling qing lake temple.
it is from huo yuan jia.
b. bouncy leg
from moslem chinese.
from cang zhou, he bei.
simplified from 10 roads.
c. tao lu
1 10 tang tan tui for beginner
2, 18 tang (trip) za (cha) quan, the first 6 tang, mid 6 tang, final 6 tang.
other short forms.
weapons:
1 dao (broad sword): ba bu, lian huan, wang cheng, chun chiu etc.
qiang (spear): yin shou, liu he, ba bao,
some kind of hook, tang, dun know how to translate in english.
there one man and 2 man drills of the weapon forms.
on and on.
the city was taken over many times by all sides.
one of the infantry head hid in the long tan temple, his name was kun lung da shi.
both liao and jin are migrant people, they are good at shuai and na.
song army was weak, however, song civilians picked up MA learning and defending themself on the border towns.
tan tui was created by kun lung monk. liao and jin are good at upper body and arms for shuai and na. so tan tui was created to defeat the enemy at lower body or legs.
so tan tui has hand methods of luo han.
shao lin has tan tui as their leg methods.
canal systems were built in yuan, ling qing was in the center/middle of the canal system. there are many merchants and martial artists came and learned tan tui.
in ming and qing dynasty, ling qing continued to be the center of commerce along the canal system. tan tui was learned and incorporated into many northern style, such as hua quan.
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Aren’t some tan tui versions set up to be two man sets. Like roads 1-6 fit together with roads 7-12 or whatever numbers.
It’s a good set. Said to be a muslim martial art practice in origin and is included in styles of shaolin although i don’t think it is currently practiced there at the temple proper. It shows up in various places from different lineages of northern shaolin styles kungfu.
[QUOTE=SanHeChuan;843234]Aren’t some tan tui versions set up to be two man sets. Like roads 1-6 fit together with roads 7-12 or whatever numbers.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, the 12 section Tam Tui routine is the first form taught in the Chin Woo school and is often taught (to beginners) in two groups of 6 movements. Jie Tan Tui (2 person spring kicking) is another of the Chin Woo fundamental routines.
SPJ,
Thank you for your translation.
Re Xian Ji: I have long believed that the Shaolin 12 section Tan Tui and the 6 section Duan Da comprised the original 18 Lohan Technique. I never had some sort of proof until now.
Thank you for sharing,
mickey