Importance of Wing Chun lineage

Who learned the knives from Yip Man is a subject not worth getting into because it can never be proven. From all accounts Yip Bo Ching was the first and Miles did not even mention him.There has been outside confirmation that Yip Ching did.The same for Yip Chun.By outside I mean a Yip Man student other than the person claiming to have been taught.Lok Yiu and Leung Sheung were each given an option to learn 1 weapon.This was after they objected to Yip Bo Ching being taught before they were.

It is also clear that just as the Dummy form Yip man taught changed over time so did the sword form and perhaps to an extent the pole form as well.If those who claimed to have been taught everything direct from Yip Man are to be believed

Re: Whipping hand…

Originally posted by S.Teebas
What do you think about that?

I think that CanadianBadAss should check with his sifu first, before posting his name up beside his sifu’s, and suggesting things about his lineage, based on his presence in it, given that he’s only trained there for a short time.

Old Jong,
Though it is not mine, it is quite well put.

i was joking WH…

Whippinghand

So, You say it is not your’s but you agree with it?..Is that right?

My sifu would know i was joking too, cause he knows how ****ty my WC is…

Old Jong, does it matter that much to you?

It matters

You said something regarding my Wing Chun! I just want to know if you really means what you said.
Do you really think Augustine Fong’s Mook Yan Jong is fake Wing Chun?
Is that your opinion?

I stated that it is well put.

???

So ,you favor the style of that post even if you don’t agree with it’s implications?..:rolleyes:Well!..

I didn’t state that I disagree either.

bah

I heard that Ip Chun didnt know anything about Wing Chun until a few years ago he started learning to cash in on his father’s death. I also heard that Yip Man refused to teach, either Ip Chun or Ip Ching or both, Wing Chun because of superstition and because one of them was banished from the family. All you have to do is look at Ip Chun’s ****ty books to see the quality of his “Wing Chun.” A lot of the movements are wrong and he doesnt show anything advanced, only stupid begginner movements.

Everyone also remember that Yip Man wasnt/isnt the only source of Wing Chun. His style is only ONE of the many wing chun lineages out there(I hope I worded that right with correct tenses). His wasn’t the best or the worst. I dont even know what the best and worst are that exist now. Yip Man Wing chun happens to be the most popular known gung fu style or system today. I said style or system because some dumb a$$e$ like to say, “Wing Chun’s not a style, it’s a system.” Or vice-versa.

At last a Whippinghand opinion!

You Agree!..So you agree to the comment that Augustine Fong’s Wing Chun is fake!..Allright.

I didn’t state that either.

Gentemen Please

Hello,

While everyone is entitled to their own opinions we have members of various lineages on this forum. Some may take offense to some of the most recent posts. I will ask this one time for everyone to refrain from posting negative comments about specific individuals or lineages. While we may discuss the differing methods it is really inappropriate to say what someone else does or does not know or imply they are deceiving their students. Unless you were present when the teaching of these individuals took place your really can not say for certain what they did or did not learn. As long as thier students are able to bring something away and use the art as it suits them then they are teaching a valid method.

Besides, since some of those being mentioned are senior to those posting it is in poor taste to speak in such a negative manner. It is very easy to post anything and say anything in this medium but in person things sometimes change. Let’s not allow this to become a p****** contest but rather get back to the edification of the art.

Peace,

Dave

Whippinghand, a critique of your poem.

Far be it from me to tread on your artistic licence. But if you want to use the analogy of lineage and trees, then you may reconsider comparing it to the branches and find better success comparing it to the root system.

Mother nature, in her infinite wisdom, has developed only two types of root systems to support a tree: The single taproot or a lack thereof.

Depending on the species and, to some extent, the soil conditions where a tree grows, a tree will sprout a single large taproot very deep into the soil. This is the root which supports the tree and prevents it from toppling over. If a tree does not send out a taproot, it must rely on its network of hundreds, if not thousands, of coarse roots (for water) and feeder roots (for nutrients) to pull double duty and also give resistance to the other forces of nature attempting to topple a tree.

Which one is better? Both and neither. Mother nature adapts to the conditions at hand - believe it or not, that’s Ving Tsun at it’s purest. The tallest (though not the strongest) trees, the sequoias, do not typically grow a taproot. But, even these trees will begin to sprout one if nurtured in soil conditions which are favorable to taproot development.

Neither rooting system will stop a chainsaw, though. For that, mother nature uses an altogether different adaptation mechanism: friends or a lack thereof (extinction).

Lineage is what supports you in your effort - whether you have one strong one or, alternatively, many, many smaller ones (more is always better in this case - healthy ones, anyway). Either way, you still have to play your part and learn how to draw strength from it - hence the Hao Kuit of each ancestor plus an important Hao Kuit often overlooked: “If you don’t train hard now when you are very young, when you get older you will have nothing.”

… Hmm … to head off a silly tangent, “very young” means your training age, not your physical age.

Thanks Tom. Very informative. I’ll have to use that one - taproot.

“I was one of Yip Man’s students”

I love it when people say this. Usually, whenever people brag or whatever by using Yip Man’s name, I laugh. Yip Man had THOUSANDS of students. Some might have been good, but not all! I guarantee he had many bad students who are using his name today as advertisement.

Hi Miles Teg:
Its best not to speculate too much about who were the key people who finished learning the knives directly from Yip Man.
It will be divisive. When folks do enough wing chun they can make their own judgements. Marketing versus knowledge is
often a common chasm in wing chun. Folks tend to forget how
Yip Man taught… group classes usually taught bya senior student
versus teaching a few for big tuition in private. You had to be consistently an accepted tuition paying student to get the advanced work.
Years of consistent learning produces a different level of knowledge from attending a few of the open classes and then claiming “I was a student of …” for the rest of the time. Also
as is repeated often in every class in any subject anywhere- …there are A students, B students, C students—
you get the picture. Thanks for your post. BTW,IMO Tsui Shong Tin is a knowledgeable sifu indeed.

Yes your right.
:slight_smile:

Good call