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Before I go any further, know that I have only taken JKD for about a week. However, I have been reading through the forums for a couple weeks. I have read a lot, and here is my post in a nutshell:

Why is Kung-Fu better than JKD?

From what I can tell, JKD is superior in it’s application to the real world. The teacher makes a big difference, of course, and mine teaches stand up, weapons, and grappling, which covers all bases.

I am told in Kung-Fu teachers are obsessed with perfect form etc., and all kinds of nitpicky things like that, that don’t make a big deal in a “real fight”.

I am also here to tell you that your chi or whatever is bullsh*t. Meditation and the like can only serve to give you indirect advantages, like confidence and the like, in my opinion.

On my first day, I was essentially taught how to box. I was taught jab, hook, cross, uppercut, and basic blocks. My second day was kicks, none high. I think they were front kick, side kick, commited/roundhouse/whatever, and non-commited (similar). My third class was doing drills to reinforce those basics.

JKD is all useful, and any superflous or low percentage technique is not taught. This excludes high kicks, which are done for fitness, not to be applied to the real world.

Of course, these are mostly speculations, and I am not closed-minded, so please tell me what you think, and don’t be offended by what I say.


I don’t recall anyone ever saying that kung fu was better than JKD.

You are entitled to your opinions - if you think that Qi is a load of bull, then fine. If you think that meditation is pointless, that is fine too.

My advice to you is just to keep an open mind, and train hard.

Welcome to the forum :slight_smile:

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ok, let me say this about that…bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahaha.

welcome to the kung fu discussion board, you will fit in well here newbie :smiley:

so, a whole week and yer a boxer already eh?

I’ve trained in multiple styles for most of my life, with dedicated practice of traditional chinese martial arts for 2 months short of the last seven years solid.

I’ve said this before, What I don’t know could fill a warehouse.
I am not the greatest fighter, and I am not the deepest thinker. But i do love to practice and learn.

anyway, welcome.

peace

Kung Lek

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High kicks sometimes work on NHB events, you know.

Posting stuff like banana is superior to vodka is not a very good thing to be done here.


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I’m too sexy for your mother, too sexy for your mother
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What I forgot to say was that, in my opinion, the best training one could get would be a cross of JKD and BJJ. Seems like you get the best of both striking and grappling? That or Kung-Fu and BJJ. What I also meant to say was that when training in a single art, JKD is the best in my opinion. I live in a small town, so there aren’t many options as far as training are concerned. There isn’s BJJ or Kung-Fu school in my area, which left me with JKD.

I am very serious about it, though, and I look forward to years of training.

I also hope this will improve my baseball. :smiley:

Last thing: I am just 15, and I think I am getting into martial arts not a minute too late.


ma newbie

Well it is good to hear that you are excited with you jkd… It is the way that almost everyone starts out, after a few classes their art is the best blah blah blah. Well I can tell you that it is all the way you use it.
You can sit and listen to a calculus proffesor all you want after all he would know what you are talking about, but it is up to you TO FULLY UNDERSTAND and expand on what he has taught just like in MA. If all masters did was just copy their masters, how would anything grow???

My advice to you would be to find someone else in a different sytem and spar…that is how you will find your weaknesses, and your arts weakness. Beleive me they all have their weaknesess. Including JKD
Oh and after a week of training dont proffess that your art is the best or you will run ino someone good and have a rude awakening.

are you sure you’re in kentucky and not in… oh, I don’t know… “frederick”? :rolleyes:

peace

Kung Lek

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=“-1”>quote:</font><HR>by xebsball:
Posting stuff like banana is superior to vodka is not a very good thing to be done here.[/quote]

I think what I am saying is more like “bananas are better for you than vodka.”

I didn’t mention which get you in the best shape physically, which are the most fun, which allow the best competition, or even what works in NHB.

I specifically said application to the real world, which implies a street fight with no rules. Don’t put words in my mouth.


Kung-Lek: I don’t think I understand??


Dont you think JKD and MMA are the same thing? Shouldnt JKD have included BJJ in it since JKD uses all stuff that works from all styles?


I’m too sexy for my shirt, too sexy for my shirt
I’m too sexy for your mother, too sexy for your mother
So sexy, YEAH

ma_newbie

I will say this with all the respect in the world to not only you but anyone who claims to have the best style, with all the styles just in Kung Fu alone, how can anyone claim this without trying them all. Not to mention all the Korean, Japanese etc. And as far as Qi, well, I guess that is your belief. But let’s not forget even scientist are beginning to not only be testing Qi, but are actually putting some validity into it. Though once again, we believe what we believe as do you. I guess if we all believed the same exact way there wouldn’t be a need for this forum.

To end this, I would just like to say…you are only 15 years old and just starting out in the martial arts, don’t be so negative towards other arts, they all have something to offer. Open your mind and you will see. :wink:

Posted by grifter721

Well it is good to hear that you are excited with you jkd… It is the way that almost everyone starts out, after a few classes their art is the best blah blah blah. Well I can tell you that it is all the way you use it.
You can sit and listen to a calculus proffesor all you want after all he would know what you are talking about, but it is up to you TO FULLY UNDERSTAND and expand on what he has taught just like in MA. If all masters did was just copy their masters, how would anything grow???
My advice to you would be to find someone else in a different sytem and spar…that is how you will find your weaknesses, and your arts weakness. Beleive me they all have their weaknesess. Including JKD
Oh and after a week of training dont proffess that your art is the best or you will run ino someone good and have a rude awakening.

Who is proffessing that their art is the best? I am just saying it seems like the best in a real-world situation.


Nobody has responded to the bulk of my post.

Let’s pretend I could clone myself and send each clone to a school of each style of martial arts, and each school my clones attend is the best that style has to offer. Next let’s pretend I train for the same period of time in each, and let’s also pretend I can elimate all other variables.

After, say, 10 years, would or would not the clone that went to a JKD school be able to defend himself in the real world the best?

I am not proclaiming anything. I am here with an open mind, and if someone convinces me I am wrong I will change my opinion.


Its not the style, it’s the clone.

"It's not really NHB because they won't let me bring a platoon of Navy SEAL's with Blackhawk fire support into the ring!"
-Watchman

sigh


ma_newbie

As far as the cloning thing, my answer would be no not every time for every person. I am a firm believer that each individual can make a certain style work for them better than another, it isn’t so much the art as it is the practitioner. Example: I am not a big TKD fan though I have met several people who make it work very well, it doesn’t mean that every person who takes TKD will be great fighters, and I believe this with any art. I have studied and or trained in many styles but it wasn’t until I found my current style that I actually felt absolutely comfortable. And by the way, the other arts I trained worked fine, though I felt they weren’t for me. :wink:

“I am told in Kung-fu teachers are obsessed with perfect form etc., and all kinds of nitpicky things like that, that don’t make a big deal in a “real fight”.”

 Who told you this?

Also, could you please tell me how good structure and mechanics don’t help you in a “real fight”?

As to the scenario of going to the JKD school for 10 years and sending your clones to other schools, I can’t talk to you about why the JKD clone would or wouldn’t be the best simply because I don’t practice JKD. But, if you tell me some of the reasons why you think JKD would be better in a “realistic” situation, I can tell you whether or not my style has it or trains for it, and argue your points that way. But I really can’t say anything about JKD with any authority.
Respectfully,
–t.s.

“Duifang jing zhi meng ji, wo fang tui zhi ce fang xi zhi.”

I never took JKD but I went through that phase before I actually started takeing Kungfu where I thought JKD was the best. I was wrong. Since JKD isn’t supposed to be a system but a philosophy you can’t even argue which is better. You already said there isn’t a Kungfu school in your area so how would you know that your JKD is better if you haven’t fought a kungfu guy yet? To be honest I think JKD isn’t really an effective philosophy or way of learning until you’ve trained in another art. JKD is about stripping the unessential from your OWN practice not about combining elements from other systems. It’s about using your energy the most effecient way( a concept of Wing Chun KUNGFU). Just learning a mix of styles doesn’t cut it. JKD is an idea and philosophy.

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Don’t practice kung fu, ma_newbie.

It’s not for you.

ma_newbie

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=“-1”>quote:</font><HR> From what I can tell, JKD is superior in it’s application to the real world. [/quote]

You did in fact claim that JKD was better than kung fu in a ‘real fight’ situation.

At the ripe old age of 15 with 3 weeks of training under your belt you think you have the qualifications to make a statement like that? Where do you get your information about kung fu if there are no kung fu schools in your area? From the movies?

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=“-1”>quote:</font><HR> I am also here to tell you that your chi or whatever is bullsh*t. Meditation and the like can only serve to give you indirect advantages, like confidence and the like, in my opinion [/quote]

And you base this statement on what evidence and research? Have you managed to disprove the existence of Qi? Have you tried meditation and found that its benefits do not directly affect your MA training?

Bear in mind that a lot of posters here have many years of experience in various MA. Maybe you should think about asking for advice rather than coming here to give us the good word :wink:

As I said before, keep an open mind.

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