Or who? It used to be the premier martial art but now it’s just a shadow of it’s former self.
The real original laughing Louie.
The fact that anything that lasts a while becomes “classical”. JKD is set up to be the “rebellious answer traditional CMAs”, now that it’s been around a while it can’t fall into the paradigm it was designed to defeat.
It’s kind of like my mythical uncle Kenny. He was a rebellious teenager, and claimed it as the defining point of his persona. Now he’s 40+ and he’s just a loser that won’t settle down and get a job. However, he owns a $15,000 Harley and dates whatever new young girl he comes across.
JKD = old guy (art) playing young with cool toys (ideas) flirting with new girls (obscure martial arts for JKD concepts guys)!
Actually, I don’t know what I’m talkin’ about…I like JKD. I blame this entire post on peer pressure from you and the way you phrased the question.
Radhnoti, that is one of the most original and best descriptions of current JKD that I’ve ever heard.
The real original laughing Louie.
Of the JKD guys I have seen, it’s mostly due to the fact that they are trying so hard to find thier"Technique" that they never develop any. I belive true JKD is not really a style, but an expression of mastership. In order to “Get it”, you must be well trained in a classical art, just like JKD’s founder was. Then, once you have that foundation, you must learn to walk the path alone, and become your own master.
To each style a master, and to each master, his own technique.
However, he owns a $15,000 Harley and dates whatever new young girl he comes across.
Note to self: Must buy Harley.
:rolleyes:
I dont understand the quesiton, and I like radh’s response.
Really, Im prettynew to this stuff. When was JKD alive and how did it die?
Is this a plug for the SBG ?
What makes something a “art?”
When do “arts” become “classical?”
Stagger Lee.
With a long forty-four.
I personally think JKD is alive and well and usually goes by the name MMA. Because thats all JKD is- fighting using whatever works.
i’ve never known a lot of jkdists, but i would guess that the ‘seminar culture’ really did it in. you have a ton of guys running around trying to certifications for this or that, a tons of guys trying to fill up their notebooks, a ton of guys trying to find exotic undiscovered martial arts. instead of gaining insight into new and better training methods, they were looking for the new secret technique. oh well.
pazman,
My point exactly.
Nah, not looking for a secret technique, but something else to add. One guy wants to add bjj to his jkd, another wants to add silat, etc. There’s a major lack of standardization. Of course, that’s the way it was meant to be, but that is also it’s downfall.
Why would that be a downfall? Or do you mean the search for the latest guru/style instead of original creativity is the down fall?
JKD isn’t really a style so it can’t go away.
jkdead it is. & hope itll continue to be.
Originally posted by Royal Dragon
Why would that be a downfall? Or do you mean the search for the latest guru/style instead of original creativity is the down fall?
because you lose almost all ways of tracking who’s legit. you get people making false claims, etc. No different from the problems you see in CMA today.
Due to it’s lack of standardization (it’s not a style) you begin to lose frame of reference. my jkd may consist of trapping, silat and muay thai. yours may be savate, boxing and judo - it gives any yahoo the opportunity to present what they have as JKD.
If Bruce were around today, my guess would be that he’d be most impressed with mma or san shou, when it comes to the vision he had of JKD.
he’d probably compete in UFC 
jkd gets a lot of it’s bad reputation because so many half trained or untrained loogans claim it as their style.
quite a lot of them don’t have a clue about basic fighting principles and you wind up with a cart load of idiots pushing a cart load of hog wash to people looking for real answers in their search for martial information and training.
i think this is partially Bruce Lee’s own fault for assuming that people could just start up a martial art and be critical about what does or doesn’t work.
In essence, I believe it was Bruce who was lacking some real insight into the true nature of humans inasmuch as we are lazy and we don’t want to do the hard work.
Bruce gave all wannabe martial artists an out and a method to wallow in their own hubris.
He should’ve been telling them that it takes hard work and time to get good at martial arts instead of selling them fortune cookie garbage that he lifted from the classics and passed off on a non-the wiser western society as his “philosophy”.
Having said that, their are some good martial artists who are at a level where tehy can actually put into play Bruce’s advice. But there are more half arsed ijits out there talking trash about this and that cause they read the tao of jkd and a few other books and maybe hit a bag now and then. :rolleyes:
Bruce was right about a lot of things, don’t get me wrong here. But I don’t think he was right about feeding uncooked steak to babies. Milk first, then meat.
cheers
Well said
kung lek
quite a lot of them don’t have a clue about basic fighting principles and you wind up with a cart load of idiots pushing a cart load of hog wash to people looking for real answers in their search for martial information and training.
Hmmmm! I am sure that I has been said about every type of martial art ever.