This is a mute point, Kung fu people train the same way MMA people train, that icludes circuit training, weights, cardio and all other aspects of conditioning. The only difference is In Kung fu we have a larger variety of training tools available to us.
Some say weapons training is antiquated, I say it’s just another for of conditioning hand eye coordination. Oh yea lets not forget that in kung fu the focus in the training is street fighting. Give me a broom and I’l house you with it.
Not to mention that certain individuals that I refuse to adress directly practice stick fighting, wich is taught by teaching set patterns (forms) and two man sets. I guess anyone who has had formal training would know that.
For instance the sinawally patern. Oh ask the guys that run the dog brothers events they can explain if you don’t know what that is.
I have friends that do bjj and you know what they showed me set drills(forms) translation a series of tech. that can be practiced without a partner.
Once again Traditional Kung Fu is more than just fighting, it’s about manetaining principles and ideals of a respected culture. It’s about [SIZE=“5”]Culture[/SIZE]
and you know what they say well some people just don’t have culture.
ahem, er, World Tae Kwon Do Federation Taeguk forms…living proof that this can and does happen…
that does not count-in my book. Tea Geuk forms were an attempt at making TKD completely Korean-basically diue to the fact that their forms were *******ized Shotokan forms-not that there is anything wrong with that-I happen to liie the Chon-Ji and Palgue sets. I do not like the Tea Geuk forms.
We are more or less, speaking of TRADITIONAL KUNG-FU FORMS.
I also realize that here are moves that are not applicable directly to fighting, such as hei-gung moves that work the lymphatic system, etc. But other than those, every move is applicable. If it is artistic, it is only because of the sequence of the moves that have anaesthetic quality/ But make no mistake-every move is designed to kill. period.
KF, don’t get me wrong, I have a grudging respect for you, and many of the other ground squirrls, but you miss the point.
You said, “…just that there are better ways to train if your objective is fighting.”
quite a big IF as far as most people are concerned.
Fighting who and how? When and where? Or most importantly Why? You can bet your a$$ that anybody who forces me into a fight is going to face some kind of weapon, from a key to a pencil, a pint glass, an ash tray, pool cue or at worst, a mouth full of bloody puke and teeth… and that’s just in class
Matt wrestling is just as unrealistic as temple dancing, the truth is, you fight the man, not the style, and the better man wins the day. Thats the real deal.
There are boatloads of kung fu practitioners and instructors who think weight training is counterproductive.
Set patterns without resistance/without a training partner are just as inefficient in training with sticks as empty hands… Same with much of the way the old school way sinawali patterns have been taught… Same with BJJ drills done without a partner.
how are you supposed to learn stick fighting without learningbthe sinewally pattern, by asmoses. Or do you teach someone by going Umm just bash that guy over the head till someone learns a continueous figure eight.
There are many stick teachers using less than modern training techniques, but those who are up to speed with these methods will teach and train the same way one would teach other modern fighting methods.
How do you teach someone a jab if your punching them in the face while they are trying to learn the basics of the puncn??? Ho do you take a frail person who is scared of their own shadow how to fight??? Is it by bashing him in the face while he is trying to learn a basic tech.???
I think that would be counterproductive. I know how about showing that person a series of movements that will build his self confidense, then slowly take him into fighting moves, then into a sparring situation once he has gained confidence.
I’ve seen dislocated shoulders from chicken wings and some broken elbows from arm bars, but nothing beats a broken Jaw delivered by an efortless right hook.
youre wright in CMA we just use the figure eight as a generic term for anything that is a continuous motion. Like the 123 motion in the sinawally like when we do the figure eight motion with the butterbly swords.
