I hate wannabe thugs

Thanks for calling me a dumbfuc but is that what superman or the flash would do?

Like I said if you felt the need to get involved call the cops and that’s it.

I was comenting on how stupid it would have been for you to fight these guys yourself, you didn’t so I don’t know why you are upset.

BTW I have been in enough confrontations with multiple people(recieving and giving) to know once you hit one guy with your sword(assuming they realise it’s not sharp) they are going to take it from you and beat the crap out of you.

Also how do you know he was walking down the street minding his own buisness? He could have known these guys or said somthing to them. If he mysteriously left after he was getting “mugged” and refused help etc. It makes me think somthing else was going on and he wasn’t being “mugged”

When I used the more of them than me, I need to find a weapon and maybe they have hidden weapons arguments my instructor tossed it back in my face by asking me what would I do if I was the one being attacked. Would I roll over because I didn’t have a weapon, or was out numbered or if they were armed. Or would I fight back to win or escape anyway. How would I fight? A few jabs, dance around some or go full brutal? If you can’t see yourself on the winning end of that scenerio helping someone else in NPs situation is going to stand a good chance of ending up bad.

It’s not so much a superhero complex but one where we train to fight and most of us have some moral code that says mugging is wrong. I don’t think any of us are training with the intent to be victims.

not that NP needs more backup, but …

NP – you did right. first, call ze cops. second, see if there’s an opportunity for you to actually help. three on one? not likely, but you keep checking, just in case, even if just to say you witnessed the big dude with the shaved head doing the kicking or whatever. if you can’t stop a situation in progress, at least you be ready to help whatever local justice system you have as a witness. then, once the act is over, you need to be ready to render what medical attention you’re able to give until those 24 minutes are up. who knows – you putting pressure on a wound to slow the blood loss could be the difference between badness and worseness.

Originally posted by Shaolindynasty
He could have known these guys or said somthing to them. If he mysteriously left after he was getting “mugged” and refused help etc. It makes me think somthing else was going on and he wasn’t being “mugged”

I can see your point there, but there is also pride factor. You don’t want to go to the hospital looking all bruised, as everyone will know you just got KTFO. I posted her about an incident last year where I stopped a paper boy from getting mugged. He did nothing - we saw the whole thing. Afterwards, when I talked t him, he said the guys just wanted his money. When the ambulance arrived, he refused help, even though he had blood running out of his eye. Getting beat down - especially in front of people - is embarassing.

Originally posted by SevenStar

Also, the incident coulda been a gang initiation. I think those are going on in my city right now. GD’s have been breaking into hispanic people’s houses and robbing them. Bad thing is that latino gangs have been on the rise. It prolly won’t be too long before a gang war starts between them.

ALKN? Cuidado mijo

Originally posted by Water Dragon
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ALKN? Cuidado mijo [/B]

That was my first thought. I’ve got no confirmation though.

I want to say I’ve seen a surenos tag on the expressway…I pass it every morning, so I’ll check it tomorrow.

After reading through all the posts I can say that I have had some similar experiences. Over this last summer about 7 months ago I saw a fight happen. It was early evening and I was having a beer with my roomate and his gf on our front porch. Three guys were fighting a fourth guy. The fourth guy pulled out a blade and started swinging wildly at them. I don’t know what the fight was about but as soon as I saw the knife I wasn’t getting involved. The three guys got him on the ground, disarmed him, and beat the wholy crap out of him to the point an ambulance had to come and pick him up. He was covered in blood and there was a pool of blood on the curb where he had gotten his head split. This happened about 15 to 20 feet in front of my house right on my street in pretty much broad day light. 3 on 1 is not a fair fight. The guy paniced pulled out a blade and tried to cut his attackers. I wasn’t about to get near it.

So, I say you did the smart thing by not getting involved with out assessing the situation first. It seems to me like you didn’t really have enough time to react to the situation. Though in real situations like that you really don’t get time to think things out. In the situation I had within the first 20 seconds of the fight the guy pulled out a blade. I didn’t know any of the people fighting and wasn’t about to get sliced or stabbed trying to break it up.

I took the expressway to class tonight and looked at the tag - it’s the surenos 13. Two guys in my class are S.W.A.T and another is ATF, so I talked to them. The ATF guy confirmed that both the surenos 13s and the LK are here.

The latino community is getting shafted both ways, because they are getting attacked by the GDs, and the surenos are extorting money outta them for protection.

I guarantee my Spyderco isn’t dull, and with three on one it’s sushi time…legally, even :slight_smile:

I feel for ya NP, I think you did the right thing…

you could have just kicked back on the couch and flipped through the channels, what people aren’t seeing is that you did SOMETHING, and it’s better than NOTHING…and in my opinion, doing nothing is pure unaldulterated cowardice

PT how do you know that would be your reaction to NPs situation? There have been situations (fights, accidents) that I’ve willingly walked into and did something useful, others where I’ve avoided it altogether and still others where I walked in and couldn’t figure out what to do but I was still in the middle of the situation. So what determines a course of action for us? Is it training, brainwashing, commonsense or something else?

and in my opinion, doing nothing is pure unaldulterated cowardice
Doing nothing is doing something and given certain cirumstances may be the best thing to do. What if a person is more brave than effective and getting involved but failing makes it worse for the victim?

Rogue- I don’t mean to personally attack you, I don’t even know you, BUT since you replied directly to my post with direct questions to myself, hear goes:

a) Nothing you say will change my mind. As quoted, “and in my opinion, doing nothing is pure unaldulterated cowardice”
That’s what I believe, sorry if my beliefs don’t run in line with yours…

b) “What if a person is more brave than effective and getting involved but failing makes it worse for the victim?”

what if, what if, what if, what if, SORRY but in my experience the moment you DO hesitate with a “what if”, especially if it’s you being attacked, is the moment you’re most likely to get your a$$ handed to you…“what if” comments are usually reserved for cowards or pascifist.

If you’re not that effective I suggest learning a martial art that will make you effective.

What if NP had done nothing, not even made it known that someone saw what was going on? They could have just killed the guy then, since there were no witnesses…

Frankly it’s YOUR type of attitude that makes me sick, I believe that any true martial artist would have done something, and NP did what he thought was the best to do in that situation, and may have saved a life.

You don’t have to be a hero by jumping in and whooping everyone’s a$$, but by NP showing the guts he has by doing something (using his brain, not his muscle) ALSO shows that he has intestinal fortitude and a sense of honor to himself. I would be willing to bet that if he had done nothing at all and later had found out that the guy had been killed, it would be hard to live with himself and that would have haunted him for years to come.

That, my friend, is the difference from being a coward, and being brave.

Personally I see so much of this kind of $hit that I would be either fighting round the clock or in court everyday. I guess if it doesn’t happen often around you you would feel compelled to involve yourself but I have to pick my battles.

With so much happening with my fam and friends I don’t have time to jump into unkown situations.

NP- how do you know he was walking down the street eating sushi when you said in your first post you heard the sounds of a fight outside and that’s what alerted you to the situation?

Rogue- I don’t mean to personally attack you, I don’t even know you, BUT since you replied directly to my post with direct questions to myself, hear goes:
Frankly I didn’t take it personally or as an attack. I was asking how do you know what your reaction would be.

Frankly it’s YOUR type of attitude that makes me sick, I believe that any true martial artist would have done something, and NP did what he thought was the best to do in that situation, and may have saved a life.
LOL, better go back and read all of my posts. And if you read the third post of this thread you will read, "Good chance that they heard you open the car door and decided to move on, so the result was good and you get the win. "

what if, what if, what if, what if, SORRY but in my experience the moment you DO hesitate with a “what if”, especially if it’s you being attacked, is the moment you’re most likely to get your a$$ handed to you…“what if” comments are usually reserved for cowards or pascifist.

If you’re not that effective I suggest learning a martial art that will make you effective.
I’d guess the majority here are cowards and pascifist then since “what if they were armed” has been mentioned as a reason not to engage. BTW I think I made the point about hesitating quite a few posts back. Personally from NPs story I think he did help the guy, I also think that he got off lucky as IMO he made some common mistakes that could have cost him.

Shaolindynasty- Sure, make yourself feel better…

the difference is the situation…so you mean to tell me that you see 3 on 1 muggings everyday? how about a gangrape everyday? or some jerk beating up his girlfriend? EVERY DAY???

maybe you see one on one fights everyday, sure, I can see not getting involved then, but an actual crime in progress? I think not…

I may get a lot of flack from this statement, but I PRAY for the day that someone wants to make me a victim, I LOOK for some punk that may want to mug me, it’s something I train for everyday, and when I do train I visualize situationally, I don’t just swish my knife through the air, in my mind it’s a group of punks being slashed and stabbed; it may sound like a lot of bravado but it’s how everyone should train, not just doing fancy movements in the air…

Watch Deathwish and Taxi Driver 10 times in a row and then just go out and make yourself a target. Just be sure to hire the criminal and civil lawyers first.

During the Ming Dynasty which witnessed a boom in fighting arts, Qi Jiguang, a famous general who contributed much to the development of wushu theories unequivocally referred to mental training as part of wushu training and military drills in his writings. Emphasizing the need of courage for the making of a great fighter, he said, “A coward would crumble in the face of a fierce enemy even if he has very good skills.” In his opinion, courage is something that can only be acquired through conscientious training.

I agree with this, because you can be the greatest fighter in the world but if you have no courage and street confidence and are mentally weak you can lose before the fight even begins, or run away, or lose to someone with no training at all that intimidates you and uses a weapon or finds or weak spot.

Another interesting thing about Qi Jiguang is The point about elaborate patterns and artificial flourishes, he commented on in the 1500s.

I guarantee my Spyderco isn’t dull, and with three on one it’s sushi time

what would happen if each of them pulled out a knife or two knives each?

what would happen if one of them two of them or all of them pulled out guns?

people like that never walk around unarmed

here we go with the what if’s again…read above post concerning that…

LOL, and I just read your quote

“you’ll send them below”? but what if…LOL

Seriously guys, we all have different viewpoints on this, it’s OK, really!!!

Are ya’ll talking about burners?
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I also like mear one…but the limp bizkit album cover sucked.

Doze Green:
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under visual artist

Mear One:
www.mearone.com

I’ve been trying to start up in graf. You know, trying to live through the four elements:
1.Breaking
2.Emceeing
3.Bombing
4.DJing