I hate wannabe thugs

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What would you have done?

It depends…I prolly would not have acted as NP did, but that’s because I’m not him, and I wasn’t there. The ideal would have been to call the cops, they show up 1 min later, and arrest the guys. Another would have been call the cops, go down with a baseball bat or staff, sneak up on them, and bash away. Another would to be to lure them close to my house and shoot them with my .357. We have make my day laws in Colorado, and that is perfectly legal. Another would be to make an obscene amount of noise from a safe place to scare them off, or if it draws them to my house see above. Is awareness and situational training beneficial? Yes. Will the reaction be different when the situation actually occurrs? Yes.

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Also, I wouldn’t call them wannabe thugs right off the bat. Attacking in groups is the typical thug MO. That’s how they operate. surround you, hit you from the blind side, if you are wearing a big shirt or coat, pull it over your head, then beat the snot outta you.

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LOL@ cops showing up 1 min later!

<public_enemy>

get up an get, get, get down/
9-1-1 is a joke in yo town…

</public_enemy>

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I had to go attend to the fact my girl had no idea what was going on, and was trying to get a cop there… I needed to talk to the police officer on the phone, that whole thing took about 45 seconds, and when I looked last the person looked motionless on the ground, the three assailants were only 25 feet away at the time too, I didn’t want them to come back.

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Also, I wouldn’t call them wannabe thugs right off the bat. Attacking in groups is the typical thug MO. That’s how they operate. surround you, hit you from the blind side, if you are wearing a big shirt or coat, pull it over your head, then beat the snot outta you.

Well, yeah, sorta… I’m more reffering to the I wanna be hard/ be in a gang, in a small city with little claims to make types… I just had the overwellming fealing that they were doing this to prove something to themselves (that I also think they were doing the exact oposite) to get some street cred.

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You grabbed a pair of gloves in case you had to fight them in a streetfight? And you didn’t do anything when they just walked away?

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gloves are for protection, most likely. If he had to touch the guy for some reason, he didn’t want the guy’s blood all over him, as he had no clue if he had any diseases. They weren’t for fighting the other guys.

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Everybody does what they have to to survive. As my thug friend says. Maybe they needed the money badly for some other reason? I mean how many people have the balls to assault some random guy on the street and steal his stuff, and risk chance of few years in prison? They usually have a good reason for crime.

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gloves are for protection, most likely. If he had to touch the guy for some reason, he didn’t want the guy’s blood all over him, as he had no clue if he had any diseases. They weren’t for fighting the other guys.

7* has caught the correct so severely he only has a few hours left.

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Originally posted by SevenStar
gloves are for protection, most likely. If he had to touch the guy for some reason, he didn’t want the guy’s blood all over him, as he had no clue if he had any diseases. They weren’t for fighting the other guys.

I get your point, but I thought he got them before the thugs left?

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I did, thats what I grabbed when I went to my car, but I didn’t have the intention of using them for fighting, is was incase the guy was bleeding… thats what I was going to get from my car.. they were under my training bag in the back, which my sword was on top of, thats why I had it in my hand initially, then the quick thought of dam, I’ve got a sword in my hand went through my head, but I just grabbed the gloves, waited a second to let the guys walk past, ran upstairs, grabbed the phone, then the guy was gone.

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That sux NP. Too bad my big Texan ass wasn’t up there, I know how you coloradians are shorter than us:D

I have to say I’m surprised about such a thing happening up there. When I was there everyone was so relaxed and non-aggressive. People wouldn’t even hold eye contact with me, shake, or my homie Pablo. I have to say I kinda felt like the don. But you did the right thing in a situation like that. Better to hear about you seeing a dude get stomped than you telling a story about how you were stomped by some thugs. You should buy a black-jack…that would of handled the situation nicely.

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NP, What do those Colo cops do with all that spar time they have? Jeeze 24 minutes. Next time tell the dispatcher that the owner of the local Krispy Kreme is getting mugged in front of your house.

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LOL.. yeah.. well, the police station is about a 3 minute car ride… for me

I called, and reported a mugging in progress too, not a mugging that happend already.

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NP, One reason for my questions and wild ass conclusions (I wasn’t there and I’m not you) is that I’m reassing the worth of self defense training. The stalling and wanting to get involved but never getting to it was pointed out to me by one of my instructors awhile back. I used the more of them than me, I need to find a weapon and maybe they have hidden weapons arguments and he just shot them down. I either had to commit to being involved in the situation or not get involved at all. At least for me the scenerio was someone I knew.

Now I have a friend who has asked me to help him with some self defense/ family protection seminars, which means people not even commited to training on a regular basis but who think they want to do something in a bad situation. If most martial artists and I include myself in this group, don’t think that on the street they can handle two or three bad guys even with surprise on their side and doubt their skills, what good can a soccer mom or dad do with a few tricks.

Also as martial artists where does self defense training fit in if we’re doubtful we can make it work on the street?

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Originally posted by Unmatchable
Everybody does what they have to to survive. As my thug friend says. Maybe they needed the money badly for some other reason? I mean how many people have the balls to assault some random guy on the street and steal his stuff, and risk chance of few years in prison? They usually have a good reason for crime.

thug friend? the dude you posted that pic of?

Anyway, It’s often not even that crucial. you’ve got something I want, I take it. People don’t get robbed of their kicks because a guy desperately needs shoes on his feet.

It’s just another lifestyle, albeit a bad one. To the uninitiated, it seems like easy money. You have money, I take it from you, sell drugs, steal cars, etc. When you think about all of the repercussions, you see it’s not that easy.

Also, the incident coulda been a gang initiation. I think those are going on in my city right now. GD’s have been breaking into hispanic people’s houses and robbing them. Bad thing is that latino gangs have been on the rise. It prolly won’t be too long before a gang war starts between them.

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Good post, I agree. The thing is as a martial artist, I think I’m at least somewhat aware of the way things could go down, it is a disadvantage of people who haven’t trained.

Get bopped good by a newbie who lands a shot or two comes to mind as a wakeup for some people.. but too many still pass it off as a “lucky” shot.. it may have been, but it got you.

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unmatchable

check this out - this is a joint by Jay-Z called D’Evils. (the evils) It kinda illustrates what I am talking about.

============================================

This **** is wicked on these mean streets
None of my friends speak
We’re all trying to win, but then again
Maybe it’s for the best though, 'cause when they’re seeing too much
You know they’re trying to get you touched
Whoever said illegal was the easy way out couldn’t understand the
mechanics
And the workings of the underworld, granted
Nine to five is how to survive, I ain’t trying to survive
I’m trying to live it to the limit and love it a lot
Life ills, poison my body
I used to say ‘**** mic skills,’ and never prayed to God, I prayed to
Gotti
That’s right it’s wicked, that’s life I live it
Ain’t asking for forgiveness for my sins, endz
I break bread with the late heads, picking their brains for angles on
all the evils that the game’ll do
It gets dangerous, money and power is changing us
And now we’re lethal, infected with D’Evils…

We used to fight for building blocks
Now we fight for blocks with buildings that make a killing
The closest of friends when we first started
But grew apart as the money grew, and soon grew black-hearted
Thinking back when we first learned to use rubbers
He never learned so in turn I’m kidnapping his baby’s mother
My hand around her collar, feeding her cheese
She said the taste of dollars was sh!tty so I fed her fifties

About his whereabouts I wasn’t convinced
So I kept feeding her money 'til her **** started to make sense
Who could ever forsee, we used to stay up all night at slumber parties
now I’m trying to rock this ***** to sleep
All the years we were real close
Now I see his fears through her tears, know she’s wishing we were still
close
Don’t cry, it is the (beat?)
In time, I’ll take away your miseries and make 'em mine, D’Evils…

My flesh, no nigga could test
My soul is possessed by D’Evils in the form of diamonds and lexuses
The exorcist, got me doing skits like Homie
You don’t know me, but the whole world owe me
Strip!
Was thought to be a pleasant guy all my ****ing life
So now I’m down for whatever, ain’t nothing nice
Throughout my junior high years it was all friendly
But now this higher learning got the Remy in me
Liquors invaded my kidneys
Got me ready to lick off, mama forgive me
I can’t be held accountable, D’Evils beating me down, boo
Got me running with guys, making G’s, telling lies that sound true
Come test me, I never cower
For the love of money, son, I’m giving lead showers
Stop screaming
you know the demon said it’s best to die
And even if Jehovah witness bare he’ll never testify, D’Evils…

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I don’t think i have a bad attitude about not getting involved. You have no idea what was going on maybe the guy deserved the beatdown. If you NEED to do somthing you should just call the cops quietly and let them handle it.

To be honest if I was one of the “thugs” and you got me thrown in jail I would come back for you and everybody else in your building. That’s why you make the call aynonomis

I know you didn’t chase them with your (dull) sword:rolleyes:
I was just saying that is a bad idea. Look what happened to Alex Gong.

Protect yourself and the people you know.

Sheeesh does everybody in the MA world have a superhero complex?

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Sheeesh does everybody in the MA world have a superhero complex?

No, but they also don’t all have the dumb f*ck complex either…

dull sword, yes, but a big metal object as well.. you ever been hit with a stick, now imagine it has a handle and is made of steel…

:rolleyes:

Oh, and it is my business… I walk down that sidewalk prob. 5-8 times a week…
They guy was walking eating his sushi… I don’t think he “deserved it”…