I found the Cheung/Boztepe fight!!!

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LOL!

Its been awhile since i saw that fight, but seeing it again certainly refreshes my memory…that was truly the most pathetic “duel between two masters” I’ve ever seen!!! Cheung, for all the boasting about “authentic original wing chun” he did in the 80s, lacks some truly fundamental fighting skills. And as for Boztepe…THIS is the ultimate kung fu warrior all the wing chun people rave about?? Its just sooo sad. Geez, an amateur vale tudo or shoot fighter could’ve whooped both of them. What’s sad when you really think about it is that with less than a year of solid jiu jitsu training william cheung could easily have pulled guard and slapped on a triangle putting emin to sleep within a minute (judging from what i see of emin’s horrible ground tactics). And if Cheung had done something like that, all his students probably would’ve dropped down to worship him even more than ever before and talk about what an amazing kung fu fighter he is. LOL!

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Here i was thinking the Ali fight was something spectacular. All i can say is now i know where Takada got his Buttscoot skills, hvae you guys seen Inoke Bom Ba Ye 2001, Takada falls on his ass at least 5 times when fighting the K-1 guy, he wants no part of his standup and falls to his ass every time he tried to advance on him.

As for Igor, he is in my oppinion the best MMA fighter ever, he’s neturally a middleweight, but he feels that if you cant beat the heavyweights your not the best, so he’s a heavyweight, he wants to be the best, not the best at 200 pounds or whatever.

I dont think anyone even needs to be explaiend that the guy is just about the most powerful puncher ever, hot ****. But his groundskills are decent as well, he has a good takedown defense, he heelhooked the “King of leglocks” Valentijn Overeem, and Heath Herring seemed to be unable to pass his guard. Dont ask me what happened in the Mario Sperry fight, he didnt even seem to try and defend, and tapped almost before the choke was properly sunk in. It wasnt a work, but it was something.

If you can i recommend seeing IFC #1 Battle in Kiev or something similar (the name), there he goes through a full contact NHB tournement with no weightclass and takes out two guys that would propably be considdered superheavyweights (one of them was Paul Varelens), and there he was RIPPED, he was propably around 200 pounds and had a great physichie, personally i want him at that weight kicking Vanderlai’s ass :wink: But i doubt he’ll cut weight.

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U guys want to know something funny…EMIN claimed to train a whole year before fighting WILLIAM CHEUNG. A whole year to prepare to jump an old man. I talked to someone ( purple belt ) who trained at ROYCE GRACIE school awhile ago. Royce saw the tape cause he wanted to know who Emin was…Royce really wanted this fight cause it was an EASY fight. He said that EMIN although was a standup fighter really was a grappler…meaning yes he study wing tsun but he would instinctively switch to grappling in a real fight!

Rolling…the INOKI vs. ALI fight was a joke! I have it on tape known as KING OF THE RING( ??? ). And yes Inoki was on the floor kicking Ali shins for 12 rounds. I was like what the hell!!! Later on Inoki camp claimed that Ali camp did not allow Inoki to do any takedown, throws or submissions. This was simply a money making scheme by both guys…nothing serious. Ali didn’t get a chance to do a thing and Inoki wasn’t allowed to do a thing. HORRIBLE FIGHT!!!

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Legend: I agree that Emins wrestling background will make him go to the ground in a real fight. He is a WT practitioner right up to the point he gets stressed during a fight.

I also think Emins a fu(king bully. During seminars he chooses someone that’s a beginner and demonstrates how to not do a technique. When I was new (6 months of training) he did it to me. During a seminar he wanted to show a proper bong. He told me to prepare for a straight punch to the face. What did he do, he throw one right in my belly. I almost pucked. Then he ranted about not beginning the technique in advance to the punch. I was a beginner and almost $hit in my pants when he choosed me as the “victim to be”.

/Cheers

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Hi All

First off I am not an EBMAS student, ok so I am not defending what he may or may not have done. What I want to ask is, Emin is in the UK in May and I was thinking of going to take a look out of curiosity. I won’t judge him on action from 16 years ago, I just wondered if anyone has been to a recent seminar (last 2 years say) and had a great time, preferably not someone in his organisation but with a open opinion of what they got at the seminar

Thanks

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Adrian, I was just a few months ago. He held a seminar in the area and out of curiosity I went. Everything is pretty true, he likes to pick on newbies, and just wail on them. He also likes to hit you harder then I think is necessary. Bully is pretty much the word I would use. I fyou go and want to see him use his real talents, just ask him to take off his shirt and flex for you…

bobo is an Azz.

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This thread is a troll and BoBo is not a very good reference to what is a “master”…

…In any style of Kung Fu!..:mad:

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That is an interesting point of view. He may have been a wrestler (amateur) at one point, but i can guarantee he was not a very good one lol! And i can definitely see where “stress” might bring out the ground and pound..but it also shows that his stand up was extremely weak and his ground tactics were based on raw instinct alone. (not skill). I guess when it is all said and done, we all forget that a real fight (like has been said already in this thread by JTW) can get ugly. However.., the fact that two masters would come into a really tight and “high” clinch before going down shows a complete misunderstanding of MOVING and angling If wing chun was develloped by a woman (i don’t beleive it for a second by the way…) then you can bet your house that she never stood her ground and played patti cake with the hands only. If you want to trap.., learn to move and fit your trapping around the center line. Holding the center line is ridiculous…making the opponent think that he is on yours, is wise. Again..this is off topic. Lets talk about anyone who has ever crossed hands with the man Emin!

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Old Jong, Anyone, and I mean anyone can be called a master. Its a title, not everyone embodies what a master is. Emin Bobo Boztepe is not a master. He IS a bully. He IS a showoff. He has an ego problem. He is in short, deserving of the title, Bobo

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Emin’s fighting record

over 400 streetfights:

  1. William Cheung
  2. 399 other dudes who live like in Canada or something…
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Old Jong,

calme toi mon vieux!! This thread is not an attempt to “troll”. It is a discussion based on video footage. It is acceptable to touch upon the subject even if it threatens the foundations of wing chun. ving tsun, wing tsun, ving chun etc… Besides, one man does not make the art so relax!:)Wing chun is still **** devastating!

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Badger - ROFL!!! :slight_smile:

Rolling Elbow - Right on brother, just because Bobo has to fall to using wrestling because his Wing chun isnt strong enough to win a fight doesnt make him a master by any means!

400 fights, riiiiiight, and my mother is Royce Gracie (no really) and I have learned Wing chun and kung fu is ineffective!

The rat bas-tard!

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Out of 399 canadians, i am pretty sure that Bobo would meet atleast one hockey thug that would teach him a lesson…so make it 397 cause there is also Old jong!

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Old Jong…

would knock him down & call him Sally…

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Ok so thats one for and one against, anyone else crossed hands with him ? And remember I am only looking for recent dealings not comments on what someone else told you !

Thanks

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“Again..this is off topic. Lets talk about anyone who has ever crossed hands with the man Emin!”

Ok Rolling Elbow, here ya go…

At the undeground, i talked to someone who goes under the name of “Armbreaker” who claimed to have “sparred” emin. he also claims to have trained under Royce and Rickson. Of course he could be lying out of his arse but it’s interesting none the less.

There was a taiji/mma thread a while back involving our very own shooter and a few others…

Anyways, here’s the posts… not sure if it’s complete, it’s copied for my own litte archive.

FROM: Armbreaker

“Someone posted his website, and in it he claimed to have been undefeated in
over 300 street fights.”

I don’t know about streetfights, but I sparred with him when I was 19, and
he didn’t come out of our sparring match undefeated. Unless he used a
weapon, I don’t see how he could’ve done anymore than he did when we
sparred.

FROM: EvilMcNasty

Isn’t he the yahoo that challenged Royce or viceversa? I seem to remember
there being a $ dispute that led to there never being a
match…sa

FROM: NafAnal

Yo armbreaker, can you elaborate on the details of the match? were you a
kungfu student? How did you meet him?
cheers

FROM: PatK

Armbreaker, I’m sure it’s because he couldn’t use his “real” techniques
without killing you.

FROM: Hunter V

Armbreaker has really went around to alot of different instructors and
places!

FROM: Armbreaker

Yeah, it was because he couldn’t use his deadly techniques..LOL!
I went against him two times, and both times I shot a double leg takedown on
him, and it went to the ground. I held him in the cross body mount for over
a minute.
He said he couldn’t be held down for that long, and I was proving he could.
He was allowed to strike, and so was I, but I didn’t.
He didn’t hit me except for a few very small strikes to the back of my
shoulder while I was on top on the ground.
Had I been really going at it…well..lol!
He does do some wrestling, because he “tried” to sprawl on me. I just kept
my hold and drove him in a circle till he fell.
I suppose if you couldn’t take him down, you might get hit…he knows how to
box too…but he swears it’s all from doing Wing Tsun, not cross training.

FROM: Armbreaker

Armbreaker has really went around to alot of different instructors and
places!

I was hunting for a standup style to go with grappling, and heard that he
challenged the Gracies. I was taking private lessons from Royce and Rickson
then (I was out there for a little over 3 months), and I figured he must
have something to teach if he was challenging the Gracies.
I went over there, and came away unimpressed.
I told Rorion about it the next time I went to a group class, and Rorion
laughed and said that they have had more than a handful of their students go
over there before I did..and that they already knew he was just trying to
get some attention from challenging a Gracie.

FROM: DanTheWolfman

I was impressed with his skills for self-defense when I trained with him.
His Greco was good, had a weird open guard, and he is supposed to be a good
boxer.

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It is sunny today in london.

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Term’s over and instead of revising i’m arseing around on the internet.

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pffft, i got 283749 projects in that count as whole modules. i ain’t STARTED yet. i’m only staying here for a week or 2 then going back to uni (during easter break) to study.

i don’t have TIME to revise - i got too much work to do!

but while i am here, i didn’t bring any books, i’ma just chill. i’m jus spendin all my time dloadin songs to slap onto my MD player!

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Wujidude - We have aguy who has trained under Bobo teaching here in the area, I used to train with him, he is very hard and very athletic. I fyou fought him he would have a good chance of winning, but he doesnt do Wing Chun, just like Bobo does not use wing chun.
My dissatisfaction with this azz is not his fighting ability, anyone can learn to fight and fight hard, sometimes it is just about how hard you are willing to fight. I am talking about his so called wing chun, his attitude about himself, and the shiitty things he pulls off just so he doesnt have to face a real master of the arts. He ambushed William Cheung, he avoided the gracie challenge.
I did touch hands with him, he is stiff and he doesnt do chi sau, he rolls hands, two different things.