Well, whatever “Bobo” is using it isnt wing chun. Maybe in his ‘200’ streetfights he used a lot of wrestling techniques.
This guy doesnt just give WC a bad name but martial arts in general. Goes to show you how good his skill is if he losses all control of it and resorts to basic streefighting.
Also, Ryu, I respect you as a martial artist and a person, but I dont see much Ground and Pound "skill’ at all. Emin has no real control, he is just trying to land punches. I have seen some good martial artist get into fights, the stuff works. Also, in my experience, most fights do not go to the ground. This may be different in your experience, I am just pointing out that of all the fights I have seen or participated in, I would be willing to say baout 80-90% of them never went to the ground.
I would slap Emin around & even wear slippery Kungfu shoes to do it.
Badger
You can end a lot of fights before they even get started with a first strike and a following combo of punches. Doesn’t always go to the ground, you are right. But most go to some kind of clinch, and a lot of the ones I’ve been in and seen have gone to the ground.
As far as his “skill” well no, he doesn’t have good ground and pound skill. 
I never said that. I said the mediocre ground and pound skills he had were enough to “beat up” William Cheung.
Now, if Boztepe could do that with little ground skill, imagine what he could have done to Cheung if he really had trained in grappling and groundpounding.
Groundpounding doesn’t look pretty. And just like anything else there is actual skill in it too. Emin did not have a lot of groundpound skill. But just a little bit (novice groundpounder) was enough to win against Cheung. (I don’t think many can argue that at least he “won” that fight decisively.)
I’m only pointing out that groundpounding is EFFECTIVE even if one is not THAT skilled at it…at least in that fight.
I’m not judging the effectiveness of WC, or anything else… I’m just telling what I saw.
In that fight. Against two WC men, it went to the ground and became a groundpound situation. For me it just looked like one of my regular workout sessions. (Though obviously my grappling looks a lot better then his I HOPE! gulp )
Ryu
That in no way means that all fights go to the ground.
All fights DO NOT go to the ground. But since a lot do you should train to defend against those kinds of attacks. Have someone put on gloves and just throw punches at you from a top position. It’s not as easy to escape as a lot of people think. Even if the top man isn’t that good at position, etc.
Ryu
Ryu
Why do you hate Wing Chun??
Badger
I thought he hated Wing Tsun.
Which is it Ryu?
I told u guys…I’ve seen that footage years ago when I was training in William Cheung org. William had a big ego before the matchup…and was spouting that he was the grandmaster of WING CHUN etc…
So in away if u’re going to talk the talk u have to walk the walk. He ran into EMIN( trained in freestyle wrestling also ) and got walloped! Plain and simple. EMIN is a joke for challenging the ROYCE…it’s so obvious…Royce has seen this tape footage…u think he’s shaking in his boots??? LOL. Royce wanted this fight but EMIN couldn’t figure out where and when…LOL.
But back to William…why claim u’re the GRANDMASTER when u can’t back it up??? Even those in his org. still want to believe they can beat grapplers by using feeble techs.
I am not necessrily defending William Chuengs skill, what I am saying is Bobo is a complete azz for pulling this sort of trick. Emin wasnt there to test his Wing Chun, or to see if he could fight, he wanted to make sure that W Cheung got beat, he even had backup in case he started to loose!
If you read the interview with one of Bobos ex students or whatever at the time, he says they had the whole ambush planned out.
Not only that but Ryu, you should be aware that this isnt the complete tape, apparently before this happened Cheung was defending himself pretty good, and after this, he managed to keep Bobo off of him. Emins goons decided to edit the tape and release only this little excerpt.
Anyway, its disgusting and if I ever cross Bobos path I am going after him like he went after Cheung, unannounced, with a baseball bat as an equalizer and a few freinds to back me up, then I will make his sorry azz apologize to the entire Martial arts world for being a pretender this whole time.
Did I mention that Bobo is a Fuknut?
Oh boy! I LOVE a good bully pounding! Please lecture him while you beat the bejesus out of him.
“I am not necessrily defending William Chuengs skill, what I am saying is Bobo is a complete azz for pulling this sort of trick.”
No disagreements there, Red5! I completely agree Boztepe was a little b1tch for doing what he did.
Unfortunately…in real life sometimes being a little “b1tch” lets you win decisively. Don’t expect me to fight fair if I know I can’t win.
Probably not a good analogy though, because Cheung was not the one puffing his chest and challenging people. So yes, Boztepe IS a bully I’d say. But life is filled with them. Better train to defend what they actually do.
Ryu
Ryu, I agree wholeheartedly, train for what may come, although regardless of this little incident I will continue to train in Wing Chun. I will also include some trainng for the ground as well
Sorry to have exposed you guys and gals to my nasty side but I hate this crap. We had a karate dojo here in the local are back when I was in Ryu Kyu Shorin Ryu Karate, that used to claim thier stuff was far superior and more realistic. We bit them constantly in tournemants, especially at the higher levels. One day they decided to kick the crap out of our top student, 7 of them on this guy as he was coming out of his place of work. They claimed that there was only one guy who just beat this guy so bad becauwse it wasnt a tourney but the ‘real thing’ regardless of the fact that the police report had confessions of 3 other guys who participated!
Guohuen - I will make sure it is a nice long lecture as well.
I like how some people can make a character judgment on events that occured like how long ago?
All I can say is that the few times I’ve met the man, Emin has never come off as an arrogant fuknut or anything of the sort. Then again, I’ve only met the man recently. I guess time changes people, right?
We will never know the machinations behind this “stunt” as we weren’t behind the scenes at that time.
Seriously, I think this thread, just like all the other Cheung/Boztepe threads, should get a quick lockdown before more of these trolling posts begin.
Let it rest people. Beating dead horses is only fun until the flies set in.
fmann, whatever your experience with him, that is great. I have had occasion to meet him twice at seminars. For the right price, way too high, and in cash, you can get beat up personally by Emin “Bobo” Bostepe while he flexes and shows off his athletic prowess. Sure if you are paying attention you may actually get a little from it, but I would recommend standing way back, so you dont get struck by Emin as he suffers the fools that surround him.
As I stated before, he is a fuknut. He could have just been having two bad days and I was unlucky to be there for both, but the stories I have heard corraborate my experience.
Maybe this string isnt just about Emin/Cheung, maybe this string is about idiots like him who make our world a little tougher because they misdirect, misinform, and behave like children. You go to the mans organizations web site and more then half of it is letters, all about infighting in the orgs he has been a part of. What does that say about his character that he is surrounded by slander and people who will publicly deface him?
So 2 Wing Chun Masters fight each other and end up on the ground; what’s up with that???
Bobo has a wrestling background Archangel, if you watch they wrestle in an upright position for a short moment and then Bobo flips Cheung to the ground.
But Bobo’s primary style is WT, it’s what he teaches and what he has devoted most of his life to. Why did he choose to abondon that, go for a clinch and a takedown. If his intent was to humiliate Cheung why wouldn’t he beat him with his Wing Tsun techniques.
What is INOKI doing?
What is inoki doing with the same move over and over lol! What is the history of that “showcase”?
p.s-
Maybe because he knows his pure Wing Chun sucks ass and makes speed and agression compensate for a poor understanding of positioning and “stickiness”? Just a guess
Furthermore..he obviously chose the ground because he was worried he would be outdone by cheung standing. Case closed. and yes..Cheung sucked badly on the ground..there were two instances in just that short clip where he could have rolled backwards and made space..or grab the inner thigh or nuts and squeeze for life. ..(thereby leaving Emin with only his pny tail once his nuts fell prey to some eagle claw!!!)
but i digress…so whats with that Inoki fight?!