Hung Men/Hung Mun Hung Kuen--any evidence?

OK–

I feel pretty safe in making this post since I have never known nor seen anyone who claims to do the kf of Hung Mun(aka-Hung Men) society.

I am told and I have read repeatedly that they have done their own style of kung fu..yet I have never heard anything beyond this. Never a mention of any forms that they did..or how their patterns look. Never even so much of an article except that they “were an underground revolutionary association” that “had their own style of kf”.

Well…what gives fellas? Is the society THAT SECRET that even after it stopped being secret(aka: the outside world was informed that it existed after the end of the Ming–beginning of the Ching)..that STILL in this day and age..noone knows anything beyond that “they had their own kf”?

It’s really odd..don’t ya think?

Does anyone know of any forms..or their names..or what their kf resembles?

Anything?

:rolleyes:

I thought Ng Ga Kuen would be the closest thing to what members of the Hung Mun practiced. THe Ng Ga is in reference to the 5 ancestors.

however, CLF was also taught within the hung mun both chan and Hung Sing branches were heavily involved. However, what about Hung Ga?

hskwarrior,

Thanks for your reply. When you say Ng Ga Kuen do you mean the late GM Ark YueyWongs’ style? Does he/one of the masters under him list this on their website(the Hung Mun)?

I suppose I should rephrase my question…

I don’t doubt that there were some styles which may have had founder or other developers who were MEMBERS of the Hung Mun..

What I mean more specifically is…what I have read seems to imply that they(HM) had their own UNIQUE style of kf that isn’t a borrowing of CLF nor HG nor any of the southern or even any of the Northern styles.

It would seem that the HM had their own unique thing going on that didn’t really borrow from other styles.

Regards,
EM

"Because the character “hung” was used in the reign name of the emperor who overthrew the Mongol Yuan Dynasty to establish the Han Chinese Ming Dynasty, opponents of the Manchu Qing Dynasty made frequent use of the character in their imagery. (Ironically, Luk Ah-Choi was the son of a Manchu stationed in Guangdong.) Hung Hei-Gun is itself an assumed name intended to honor that first Ming Emperor. Anti-Qing rebels named the most far reaching of the secret societies they formed the “Hung Mun” which, like “Hung Gar,” can be translated as “Hung family.” The Hung Mun claimed to be founded by survivors of the destruction of the Shaolin Temple, and the martial arts its members practiced came to be called “Hung Gar” and “Hung Kuen.”

this was taken from the martialartsgathering website…

maybe you can find it in this list…

List of different Chinese Martial Arts styles

Baguazhang ( Pa Kua Chang) - Eight-Trigrams Palm
Bafaquan ()
Bajiquan () - Eight Extremes Fist
Bak Mei () - White Eyebrow
Black Tiger Kung Fu ()
Chaquan () - Cha Fist
Changquan () - Long fist
Chuo Jiao () - Poking Feet
Choy Gar ()
Choy Lee Fut () - (Mandarin: Cailifo)
Dachengquan () Great Achievement boxing
Ditangquan () - Ground-Prone Fist, Ground Tumbling Boxing
Do Pi Kung Fu ()
Dragon Kung Fu (Lung Ying) ()
Duan Quan () - Short Range Boxing
Duck Kung Fu ()
Eagle Claw ()
Emeiquan ()
Fanziquan () - Overturning Fist, Tumbling Boxing
Five Ancestors () - Wuzuquan or Ngo Cho Kun.
Flower Fist () Huquán
Fu Chiao quan () Tiger Claw
Fut Gar () Buddhist family Style
Guoquan () - Dog Fist
He Quan () Crane Boxing
Feihe Quan () Flying Crane Boxing
Guohe Quan () Playing Crane Boxing, Wandering Crane Boxing
Minghe Quan () Crying Crane Boxing, Calling Crane boxing
Shihe Quan () Eating Crane Boxing, Preying Crane boxing
Suhe Quan () Sleeping Crane Boxing
Zhenhe Quan () Shaking Crane Boxing
Zonghe Quan () Jumping Crane Boxing
Houquan () - Monkey Fist
Drunken Monkey (:wink:
Huaquan () - China Fist
Hung Fut () - Hung and Buddha style kung fu
Hung Gar ()
Hu Quan () - Tiger Fist
Jeet Kune Do () - style founded by Bruce Lee
Jing Wu Men () - Jing Wu, a famous school based in Shanghai that teaches several different styles.
Jing Quan Do () - modern synthetic style
Jow-Ga Kung Fu () - Jow family style
Kuen-Do ()
Lanshou Men - Blocking-hand Boxing
Lau Gar () - Lau family style
Lai-Ga-Sau - a recent separate branch based in the United Kingdom
Leopard Kung Fu ()
Li (Lee) Family - () - Li Family or Lee Family style
Liu Seong Kuntao (also Liu Seong Gung Fu, Liu Seong Chuan Fa) A modern style combining the martial arts of China and Indonesia and is now based in the United States.
Liuhe Bafa ( Liu He Pa Fa, Lok Hup Ba Fa) - Water Boxing
Long fist kung fu (Northern Shaolin Long Fist Kung Fu)
Luohan Quan - (:wink: Arhat Boxing
Mei Hua Quan ( Plum Blossom Fist)
Mian Quan - Continous Boxing
Mok Gar - () Mok family style
My Jong Law Horn ()
Nam Pai Chuan ()
Nan Quan ()
Northern Praying Mantis ()
Pai lum - White Dragon, Pai Family Method
Paochui () - Cannon Fist, Sanhaung Paochui
Phoenix (Wu Jia Quan Fa or Wu Jia Dragon-Phoenix style)
Piguaquan () - Chop-Hitch Fist, Axe-hitch boxing
Praying Mantis: see either Northern or Southern Praying Mantis.
Rat Kung Fu ( Choy Gar)
Sanda () or Sanshou ()
San Soo ()
Shaolin Nam Pai Chuan ()
Shaolin Quan ()
Shen Lung Kung Fu () - Modern variations of Southern style chinese martial arts based in the United States.
Shuai Chiao ( Shuaijiao) - Chinese Wrestling
Shequan () - Snake Fist
Southern Praying Mantis ()
Tai Chi Chuan ( T’ai Chi Ch’uan, Taijiquan) - Ultimate Supreme Fist
Taizu Changquan () - Emperor Taizu long fist
Tang Lang Hu Shi - Praying Mantis Kung Fu and Tiger Style Kung Fu
Tantui (/) - Spring Leg style
Tien Shan Pai ()
Tongbeiquan () - Through-the-Back Fist
Tueh Ming Sin’Kung - modern style combining Northern and Southern traditions based in the Netherlands
Turtle Kung Fu
White Crane ()
Wing Chun ( Ving Tsun, WingTsun) - made famous by Bruce Lee
Wudangquan ()
Xingyiquan ( Hsing-i Ch’uan) - Shape-Intent Fist
Xinyiba ()
Xinyiliuhequan () - Heart Mind Six Harmonies Fist
Yau Kung Mun ( )
Yingzhaoquan () - Eagle Claw Fist
Yiquan ( I Ch’uan)
Yuejiaquan () - Yue-family Boxing
Zhuan Shu Kuan - modern composite style containing elements of Tae Kwon Do, Muay Thai and Long fist kung fu. It is based in the United Kingdom
Ziramen - () - Natural boxing
Zui Quan () - Drunken Fist

Description
Foreword

Known as Hong Quan style Chinese kung fu great-grandmother punches or red boxing, Chinese martial arts in many schools.

Shaolin Hung, a great-grandmother punches and punches. Hongjiadu punches from Fujian Hongxiguan Chong Chuan, is nanquan “Hung Liu, Tsai, Lee, MO,” five from one of the punches; great-grandmother punches nanquan local boxing is a way.

Emei sent Zhao HONGMEN punches and punches two doors. HONGMEN in Sichuan among the most popular, dry-hong and two water Hung, “Hung, chemistry, character, Emily,” one of the four small; Zhao Shu Gate is to boxing, “Yue, Kindu, Monk,” with all four said.

Changquan doors are great-grandmother punches, also called “32 potential changquan,” Shandong more traditional exercise.

Poke foot doors are great-grandmother punches and legends created by the Ming emperor, also known as the “tsu boxing” and “boxing Hongwu” “Dong leopard and the eagle, Amitabha,” added the four were cuffed.

Songshan Shaolin Temple in Henan are Hong Quan style Chinese kung fu, Hong Quan style Chinese kung fu-large and small Hong Quan style Chinese kung fu, the Shaolin Temple is the representative of relatively stable democratic, among the most popular.

Shaanxi red fist, the old “red boxing customs”, the largest ones that can be incorporated into the changquan areas.

[SIZE=“3”][/SIZE]Hubei is the local boxing HONGMEN force, the Wudang style camp in the past.

Kung Fu demonstration were red punch, drill garish and beautiful posture, being referred to as the “bonuses.”

There’s an old Hong Quan style Chinese kung fu doors, divided into major and minor HONGMEN HONGMEN and independent, and "Shaolin, the Chinese boxing, tan legs, Series punches, "said the same six were out the door.

There are other red punch back, Miao Hong, Kansai red, east of red, Gansu high red boxing different places such as inheritance.

The book on the great-grandmother punches central Martial Arts Museum States for the first session of Excellence winners of this country under the tutelage of Zhang Germany, so far 37’s, fierce style, pay attention to real combat, an authentic Shaolin camp chief.

I reference old great-grandmother spectrum, in light of its own experience, the system into a book, when the disclosure of the world to savor after school. Which were really great-grandmother-door history, hoping Zhiwu give greater treasure, one must be big. Limited to the standard, it is inevitable shortcomings, I implore expert spared no substantive progress.

Nanquan brief

    327    2006-11-26Author : Wushu Association article Source : reproduced Hits : 327 Update : 2006-11-26  


                                                                                     
  Nanquan Ming been a popular south of the fifteen largest category of customers. Nanquan reportedly was initially based Southern Shaolin, the Ming Dynasty gradually formed independent punch line. Nanquan general characteristics is further steady, just boxing, the situation fierce, and less jumping, more short punches, he is nimble hands to sing, repair of gas. 
    Nanquan wide variety, such as Fujian Shaolin bridge hands Wuzu punches, Hok boxing, strength, Guangxi Zhou punches, Boxer said to small policy fight, Zhejiang Hongjiadu punches. Black Tiger punches and the Golden punches. Hubei HONGMEN punches, fish door punches, punches Confucius, the Witch Hunan-style boxing, Hung-style boxing, boxing, etc. Xue. 
       “”                   Nanquan representatives of the Guangdong nanquan, Guangdong nanquan representative is the "five great masters," they are : 
1, Hong Quan style Chinese kung fu. Hong Quan style Chinese kung fu originated from the Shaolin Temple, according to legend, created for Hong Yi Guan, Hong Yi Guan of the Zhangzhou in Fujian merchants Chong fist after the pass Shaolin HONGMEN Wuzu, Hong Quan style Chinese kung fu later came to Guangdong, including elements punches (the punches, punches folder wood, water waves punches, Rocket punches and land punches) and the 10-boxing (Lontrel, snakes punches, punches tiger, leopard punches, Hok punches, punches lion, like boxing, horse fights, makes monkey-style kungfu movements. Biao fist fights and other pictographic 10), Gems famous experts will be Hongwen, land-color, Cox Solid Zen master. Tie-3, Lin Fucheng, the field of, the realist, Lam Sai Wing, nanquan is the largest faction. 
   2, Liu punches. Liu said by the three creators, but also said the government is under 4 or qing Liusheng created by circulating in the Leizhou Peninsula. 
   3, Cai punches. By Fu Shaolin monks Fujian Episodes tat, Metallurgy NG created, and later spread in Zhongshan, Guangdong and other places, including the Crusaders punches, Dayun days, small Win Tin, recognized Yan, Liu Mei broken, unveiled four images such as boxing. 
  4, Li punches. Southern Fujian passed by the monks of Shaolin Temple opened color Lee created, from Guangdong who will teach Mr Lee Hill. One from Huizhou in Guangdong said Lee Ying-hui created, Li punches popular in Zhongshan, Guangdong, Heyuan, Gaozhou, Longchuan, Guangzhou and other places. 
5, Mo punches. Fujian generation Shaolin perfect Zen master created; Said one created by Modashi, hopefully after Mo-arrogance (1 Mo-Jiao said). Spread in the Pearl River Delta area. 
Five were from the Fujian majority punches Shaolin came. And the number of HONGMEN will have some contact is not only featuring martial arts, and is also extremely active quack factions. 
“”<BR>In addition to the five famous boxing, Guangdong nanquan there Salifu punches (from the new entitlements Chen founded, he was under the care Chen Yuan, Li Shan and CAI Fu Shaolin monks, a comprehensive Caijiaying punches, Lee punches, three punches to send Buddhist cream found in Califo punches), Fu Hok double-fist (South China Sea were integrated Lam Sai Wing Hong Quan style Chinese kung fu, boxing created Buddha, known as "Buddha head Hung Mei") arts (Fujian Yong-Chun Yan Yan Sanniang setting and a perfect Zen master said Guangxiaoshi into Guangzhou), Xia punches (Shanhaiguan Lee beard came from Sichuan Emeishan Guangzhou), Agkistrodon punches (Sichuan Emeishan Hoolock Road into Guangzhou), Buddhist punches (imported from Buddhism), further punches <BR> training, practice hands cuffed, Diao tutor, Yue tutor, Zhu tutor, Kunlun punches, Naqi punches, punches and so on Confucianism. 
“”“”Nanquan in Guangdong and Fujian's coastal areas unique characteristics of the South, especially since the Qing Dynasty. "anti-Fu" began to "knight" finally, the legendary martial arts novels and television occupy an important position, For instance, Fujian Shaolin, the legend is a stronghold of the anti-, there massing Sanshanwuyue HONGMEN children and the Xia-spender. Burning Shaolin stages, Hongxiguan Guangzhou, lived in Buddhist temples, monks and Buddhist margin of a total and then went. “”“”“”As world; for Guangdong "Shaolin 10 tiger" the second (the first artificial Hongxiguan) his mother Miaocuihua "Shaolin Oro," the Miao's remarkable women, "Woman generation," said. <BR>“”World; as "Shaolin Hero," "ait", "world; three exploration Wudang Mountain," "Qianlong <BR> South Jiang Yu," and many other works of Xia culture hero, the late Qing Dynasty nanquan which led to the "Guangdong 10 Tiger", The Tie-3 third, fifth Suqier, Xia also many cultural works of heroine.

Hoping remained on the Kung Fu – Hongjiadu punches

2002-10-21 20:36:00 2002-10-21 20:36:00 Post ANALYSIS

Hongjiadu punches

Nanquan one of the fifteen. 300“”Commonly known as the Hong Quan style Chinese kung fu, is said to have been 300 years of development history, very popular in Guangdong, Canton, Guangdong, "Hung Liu, Tsai, Lee, Mo "is the first five games. Regional also spread widely, such as Sichuan, Hubei, Hunan, Guangxi, Shaanxi, in Hong Kong, Macau, Australia, the United States, Canada and some Southeast Asian countries and regions were also affected. Qing Dynasty is said to be a secret association of civil HONGMEN pretensions Shaolin Chuan as a martial arts exercise. (1674)HONGMEN legend of Kangxi of the Qing Dynasty founded in 13 years (1674). (1661)“”“”“”Another mass at 18 years of Qing Dynasty (1661) and tomorrow will be Zheng Chenggong in Taiwan to start the “Golden Taishan” The organization decorated the founder of the Ming Zhu Yuanzhang “Hongwu” “Hung” up doors, it HONGMEN said. Hong Quan style Chinese kung fu and engage in the implementation of practice to practice Wushu the name of development organizations, and promote anti-Fuming thinking. That has not yet been proven reliable. “”“”Hubei Hong Quan style Chinese kung fu, Song Taizu pretensions created, according to the rumors “Zhao Kuangyin hand set 32 world,” said TYSON its name back “in hand” name, such as : total hands, hands closed and the Golden hands, because this Wudang boxing, also a nine official hand Laojuntang and other routines.

Hong Quan style Chinese kung fu is the dragon, tiger, lion, leopard, the snake, Hok, like, horse, monkey, Tiger Pictography characteristics combined with martial arts techniques from Creation. A single-martial arts, such as Lontrel, tiger fist; Also mixed-martial arts, like a tiger-shaped crane double punch, five-punch, punch, etc.-10. Its style is characterized by : means rich, legs law less stable situation further strong, tough hard Ma Bridge, vigorous and effective, a reminder of gas, sound of cheering. “”Hubei potential HONGMEN Quan Jin Meng Gang, therefore, “HONGMEN a cow, killing Do not look back,” said. Sichuan HONGMEN punches factions still divided into north and south. Southern request form, Italy, gas, power, the sound of a high degree of unity and advocates of persuasive, Granville to win, hitting straight, strong through the body, vigorous and effective; North sent Quanshi stretch, strokes clear, Siping Malaysia, side-attack, flash development flexibility, the King implicit Quanshi powerful, bold powerful.

5 HONGMEN

HONGMEN very popular in Guangdong, Sichuan, located in Chengdu, Chongqing, Leshan, Wanxian and Daxian, Fuling and other places. Send a distinction between North and South. Southern emphasis on precision, energy and spirit of integration. Out to win Granville to sound reminders, fierce anomaly. North allocation formulas Siping Malaysia, clear stretch, tilt-arm wrist over, a good guard good attack. Both focus on the eyes of pressing, positive intercept; Moves very open and generous with, both hands and feet. “”“”Arm more with defense Gedang, namely “sleeves of Tibetan beads,” France : "pick up even more, more dwarf chopped down, not high dwarf hand row. "

70HONGMEN fifteen addition to the size of Hong Quan style Chinese kung fu routines, nearly 70 Mouements, Chanshou, hung hammer, two-way red, Yan Qing - hong, the Eight Immortals, equipment Tsing Lung sword, Emei Batons, and 5 show a knife, District Longqiang and Autumn Annals knives, sticks, chairs and tables, and so on.

Six of the door

“”Of closed doors, also known as Silkworm, “Silkworm” is OK if he punches swallowed’s silking, down. Shall be closed when the enemy tight closure opponents, and Piloting. It was also suggested that the name of the door to the source, is varying and spent quite shoot agreement, but unlike Huaquan found in the door of.

“”The style of the door and HONGMEN the contrary, there is no large-scale movements of a large, but to soften, mainly compact, Multi-use wrist “system of the enemy’s efforts, the introduction of deceptive”, led by its geopolitical way in the other side of the opening attack was intended. “”This fifteen to one-hand exercises, the main approach is : Palestine, and second, linked with other, the gist of which is “Exercising pretty gills, elbow pretty Huai,” Boxer made when each hand, scratch one’s head hook linked stress deft hands.

“”Gate of the typical routines of 36 closed hand, also known as the 36 closed hand Sichuan nanquan, also called “Tian-gang hand” (commonly known as Tiangangxing 36), rich in content, methods varied, offensive tight, and the coil and the economy, have received nearly kicked far, far hands near elbow characteristics. Additionally, there are close on 24, Dalian punches, eight of boxing, white tiger *****, with double-hold on, the star worship, such disclosure stick dozens of punches to assist law. Distribution of the current spread in Chengdu, Chongqing, Nanchong, Neijiang, Wanxian, Fuling and other places.

Erasmus,

I think based on whats above that EMEI is probably the system you are thinking of.

hsk

okay,

i could be right on this…i hope…

this is what i’ve found…its the english (garbage) translation…

Emei camp

Emei camp’s name is based on the four famous Buddhist Emeishan’s stead, It will have HONGMEN “Emeishan” different, HONGMEN “Emeishan” mountains out of court and fictitious, Emei camp “Emei” is the name is actually refers.

From a religious roots, Monk has also Emei Road, but mainly Nuns. In kung fu, a professor in “Heavenly Sword and Dragon Saber” said Guo Jing Guo Xiang young girls, because the hearts of love heroic Yang Guo, When the hero Yang Guo and respect and love instance, the Wandering the world to know what ideas Cheong solution. After hearing a chance Nien Chung Yuan “Jiuyangzhenjing”, the creation of Emei camp, and later inspired extinction Actors, Jixiaofu his disciples, Zhouzhire, Nuns were, in addition, many of Emei send formulas are also all female cast.

Emei send Shaolin gong between masculinity and gentleness between Wudang, Sophie has just outside and the equivalent weight, and length of use.

wow, you got my interest up…

so this is also something i found

http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://www.jysdj.com/show.aspx%3Fid%3D112%26cid%3D47&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%25E6%25B4%25AA%25E9%2596%2580%25E6%258B%25B3%26start%3D10%26hl%3Den%26rls%3DRNWE,RNWE:2005-39,RNWE:en%26sa%3DN

hskwarrior,

WOW!!! Thank you for your research and through posting. I’m not sure if it is a problem with my browser..or perhaps I need a “region 3 decoder”(to translate chinese)..but there are all these question marks on the threads you list. Plus the way it’s phrased…part of it looks more like a list of random words that don’t have a real sentence structure. As such..it makes it challenging to decipher.

I’m not saying that to be smug or anything..I’m not sure if you notice the same think on your computer.

Incidentally, are you the sifu on the website on your profile or one of his students?

I have heard that there is the HS CLF as well as the Buk Sing. One of them I recall has lots of forms..perhaps 200 or so.

Someone was telling me recently that one of the other lineages has considerably less..I believe less than 30..is this Hung Sing or Buk Sing?

Are you affiliated with GM Doc Fai Wong at all?

Thanks again for your enlightening posts!

Regards,
EM

[QUOTE=Erasmus Mingatt;772430]
Well…what gives fellas? Is the society THAT SECRET that even after it stopped being secret(aka: the outside world was informed that it existed after the end of the Ming–beginning of the Ching)..that STILL in this day and age..noone knows anything beyond that “they had their own kf”?

It’s really odd..don’t ya think? [/quote]

Well… they’re “secret enough” that they’ve been relatively successful at “hiding in plain sight” for something over a hundred years.

[QUOTE=hskwarrior;772470]"Because the character “hung” was used in the reign name of the emperor who overthrew the Mongol Yuan Dynasty to establish the Han Chinese Ming Dynasty, opponents of the Manchu Qing Dynasty made frequent use of the character in their imagery. (Ironically, Luk Ah-Choi was the son of a Manchu stationed in Guangdong.) Hung Hei-Gun is itself an assumed name intended to honor that first Ming Emperor. Anti-Qing rebels named the most far reaching of the secret societies they formed the “Hung Mun” which, like “Hung Gar,” can be translated as “Hung family.” The Hung Mun claimed to be founded by survivors of the destruction of the Shaolin Temple, and the martial arts its members practiced came to be called “Hung Gar” and “Hung Kuen.”

this was taken from the martialartsgathering website…[/QUOTE]

I like it.
In addition, “Mun”/“Muen” is often taken as meaning “gate” which is more similar to “Pai” or “sect” than it is to “family”… varying “levels” of restrictiveness and/or “secrecy”.

double “B” cool. thanks for your input.

I’ve been fortunate to read the Hung Mun book thats out of print now…but there is some real interesting things from back.

From that book, and amongst other sources…man of the southern Chinese men changed their first names to include HUNG in it to show their support.

but im not sure what origins Hung Mun Kuen has. emei? hubei? not sure. but they said there’s a hung mun hard qigong shaolin form out there.

[QUOTE=hskwarrior;772555]double “B” cool. thanks for your input. [/quote]

Sure… it wasn’t that much.

I’ve been fortunate to read the Hung Mun book thats out of print now…but there is some real interesting things from back.

I wasn’t aware that there WAS “a book”.

From that book, and amongst other sources…man of the southern Chinese men changed their first names to include HUNG in it to show their support.

Interesting… OTOH, there were names and “there were names”…
Having multiple names was not particularly uncommon in “certain circles”.

but im not sure what origins Hung Mun Kuen has. emei? hubei? not sure. but they said there’s a hung mun hard qigong shaolin form out there.

I’m not in a position that I can say with any certainty that there was NOT a specific “Hung Men Kuen”. OTOH, “lately”, they haven’t been particularly picky about what was being taught in their hall… or even their “youth affiliate”.
That said, they’re pretty much sure to be southern fist of one style or another, since I’ve yet to hear of any northern style being taught there.

yeah there was a book written by someone who infiltrated the Hung Mun, and pretty much documented everything he could from rituals to names and dates.

my sifu has a copy of this book. very cool reading.

Speaking of door/gate,etc.

I can’t remember just how I came across this school..but it is called “Hung Mei”(The Eyebrow or Face of Hung). They have schools in NY and Colorado. Anyway..They have some forms I have not heard of yet. I called them once and Sifu Solo was pretty down to earth. He gave me the translation of some of the names..about 5-6 forms..I can’t find where I wrote it but I will post it soon. Some had interesting names such as “Rock Lion form” and “4 door 8 directional fist”(I believe).The “Juen” according to him is the phonetical pronunciation of Chuan. Anyway..check this out. I wonder if this school has relations to Hung Mun also. Anyway–does anyone know the translation to these?

"From Tai Z (Southern): ()

Shù Quán
Yng Zhu
Tai Xíng Quán

From Fú Jian (Southern): ()

Y Mén Sì Mén
Èr Mén Liù Mén
Sn Mén B Mén

From Yng Quán (Southern): ()

Shí Zì Quán Q Shí Èr Dì Sh
Jn Mén Quán W L Quán
Sn Shí Liù Tin Gng

Tai Jí (Southern): ()

Tai Jí Quán
Xio Fng Ji
Lóng H Quán

From Shn Dng (Northern): ()

Tán Tu B Gua Quán
Fú H Quán Dì Lóng Quán
Hi H Quán Da Hung Quán
B Duan Toan Quán Xio Hung Quán

The first Set the student learns is Tai Z Yng Zhu () (Eagle Claw form). The Set not only teaches applications of the Eagle Claw technique, but is also an excellent way to introduce the pupil to stance shifts, dynamic tension exercises and releases from wrist grabs. Subsequently, the student learns the series, “Tán Tu” (), from the province of Shn Dng (). Tán Tu () is practiced by many styles of Northern Kung Fu. There are 12 sequences in the series taught in Hung Méi. Some other styles have combined several of the sequences and now teach ten. Tán Tu () introduces the students to many different hand techniques, kicks, stances sweeps, shifts, etcetera, and forms the foundation for future applications.

[QUOTE=hskwarrior;772562]yeah there was a book written by someone who infiltrated the Hung Mun, and pretty much documented everything he could from rituals to names and dates.[/QUOTE]

:eek:
Is he still around? :smiley: