Hsk,
1)Quote: “Word of his former disciples success got back to Chan Heung in Ging Mui. He was very proud and impressed with Jeong Yim’s acheivements and showed him the utmost respect for him by treating him like an equal.”
Who said? YOU? Were you there? Or is this more “by word of mouth” myth?
2)TQuote: “Yogether they studied the new techniques and Jeong Yim was at work redefining the Chan Heungs system by adding the “Fut” in Choy Lee Fut.”
ARE YOU SAYING “REDEFINING” CHAN HEUNG’S CLF BY ADDING THE “FUT”? ARE YOU SAYING CHAN HEUNG KNEW JEONG YIM WOULD COME BACK WITH THE FUT COMPONENT WHEN HE COINED THE NAME “CHOY LEE FUT”?
WHAT ABOUT CHAN HEUNG’S OTHER STUDENTS WHO WERE SENIOR TO JEONG YIM? ARE YOU SAYING CHAN HEUNG TAUGHT THE CHOY LEE FUT TO HIS SENIIOR STUDENTS WITHOUT THE “FUT” COMPONENT BECAUSE IT HAS NOT YET COME WITH JEONG YIM?
QUOTE: “Jeong Hung Sing became known as the true founder of Choy Lee Fut Upon returning to Fut San Jeong Hung Sing started to develop his gung fu separately from that of Chan Heung based on his personal needs, as well as his students too”
THERE YOU GO AGAIN…ANOTHER WILD CLAIM “BECAME KNOWN AS THE TRUE FOUNDER OF CLF…”
KNOWN BY WHO? WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE? REMEMBER YOU SAID FOR “FIRST FEW GENERATIONS” OF JEONG YIM HUNG SING SCHOOL IT IS UNCERTAIN EVEN IF THE KUNG FU TAUGHT WAS KNOWN AS OR CALLED CHOY LEE FUT.
THEN HOW CAN JEONG YIM HAVE “FOUNDED” CHOY LEE FUT"
HOW COULD HE “BECAME KNOWN AS TRUE FOUNDER” OF CLF IF HIS SCHOOL AND SOME SUBSEQUENT GENERATIONS OF HIS LINEAGE TAUGHT SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT KNOWN AS CHOY LEE FUT?
HAVE YOU CHANGED YOUR CLAIM FROM “CO-FOUNDER” TO “FOUNDER” NOW?
WHY"
Hsk,
If you say Chan Heung and Jeong Yim developed separately their CLF then how can Jeong Yim be co-founder or founder? Clf was established around 1836 by Chan Heung … ( and how old was Jeong when he met chan and BEGAN TO TRAIN?) If according to your story Jeong started training with chan at 12 yrs of age, and your futsan group claim jeong born around 1824, (you and your group agree?) then jeong was 12 yrs old around 1836HINT: 1836
If you say Chan Heung and Jeong Yim developed together CLF then why your branch have NO noi nim shou Or are you saying you do have it? Do you know what is noi nim sou? Wait…you already told us you don’t know what is noi nim sou …didn’t you ?
Ok, I really don’t care about the history and lineage. I only know a little bit of CLF but I have been skimming through these posts and I just have to ask What is this noi nim sou or whatever (I’ve seen a few variations of this name)?
Anyone care to educate the ones that aren’t ‘in the know’? I get the impression it’s something secret.
Triumph the insult comic dog has asked to post here again…
Triumph:
Ok, CLF Trivia everybody… Question… Who is the founder of CLF?
HSK: Jeung Yim Kennyfist: Chan Heung
Triumph:
No I am sorry, you both are wrong… The real answer is: Who gives a sheet!!!
I kid I kid!!!
Back to Joe…
Kennyfist,
Sorry just joking again…
Because honestly… Your posts are too long and you are repeating yourself over and over again… You seem very concerned over CLF history, I believe you are a CLF person covering your identity to toy with Frank…
It’s getting old, and none of us really care about the history that much, no one can really prove anything once and for all… I know many people from all sides of CLF, and they dont care too much about that, we just respect them all for passing on their art…
Each sifu is definitely a creator of a system of handing down the tool of CLF, we have seen some good players, and some really bad ones too… That is not the style’s fault, but perhaps the players and maybe the teachers…
So can you please stop this now??? Take it up with Frank through PM’s, obviously you like to provoke him so expect the worse… You will bring it on yourself…
Frank is very proud of his lineage, thats fine… But do the rest of a favor and add to some positive posts…
Sow Choy
Can I call you Joe? So, Sow Chow you get a A+ for effort but this kind of stuff will always go on and on and on. Not just here with CLF but Wing Chun, Northern Mantis, Shaolin, you name it. There’s at least a few in every camp that just won’t let any of it go. There are even fewer unbiased serious researchers.
And then you have the childish fun of pushing someone’s buttons or name calling.
Seriously, imagine how thinned out the forums would be without the useless arguing.
I agree it makes it fun here, but Kennyfist is goin on and on… Its getting old…
So I think Comedy could help and help peeps to simmer down… We all know people really do watch this forum, and i just hope people take more care in what they say…
We can make points and debate, but lets have some respect too… If you give respect you can make your points easier and people will take them into consideration more…
I have told that to HSK many times… But he will admit a mistake, but lets not drag stuff on… Meaning toards Kennyfist…
I’m with ya there Sow Choy. (I know you but since you don’t know who I am I’ll stick with Sow Choy)
It’s well past worn thin. Some just take a little longer to learn. When the threads start getting silly is a good sign it’s time to back off.
HSK is trying to rush out of the gate before assessing the playing field IMO. And kennyfist subscribes to the unending barrage of attacks as the only way of winning.
I don’t believe either are using the appropriate strategy here so ultimately they both end up looking bad.
Got a question for you. What’s the Chinese name for Cross Hands? I keep forgetting that one.
Did you see the one where triumph goes to the star wars line and asks the guy dressed like darth vader which one of the buttons on his chest calls his mom to pick him up?
It seems that Hsk is very concerned about telling “his story”…and he does give out a lot of …“turd”…ORALLY.
BTW SOW CHOY, YOU MIGHT NEED TO WATCH THAT "POOP HERE " AND “POOP THERE”…YOU KNOW OBVIOUSLY YOU DON’T WANT TO BE TREATED LIKE AN ANIMAL… THEN PROBABLY BEST NOT TO BEHAVE LIKE ONE…REMEMBER CERTAIN ANIMALS CAN BE TRAINED TO NOT “POOP JUST ANYWHERE THEY WANT”… YOU PROBABLY (?) WAS “TALKING” IN JOKING TONE…TAKE THIS COMMENT IN “JOKING-LIKE TONE”… BACK TO TALKING ABOUT “TRAINING”?
Nole,
What’s the story with this sudden (?) "sisuk this " and “sisuk that”…I wonder if someone is feeling “insecure” about his branch…and would like to find comfort in getting some sort of “support” that “after all, we don’t need that…even if we don’t have it…we can still achieve this…”
It’s called being polite to an elder and XJ and I have been talking online for quite awhile. If you teach I hope you convey these basic things to your students. My lineage is primarily from the Chan Family (if not all) so XJ and I are from the same lineage more or less. Since I consider CLF one family, we are all from the same lineage. When someone good knowledge of CLF they deserve respect. XJ makes good point without having to post 40 times in a row. You could have too but I think you enjoy typing, maybe you were a secretary in another life.
You obviously have a good deal of knowledge and we think you are a CLF guy but you never say. Let Frank believe whatever he wants, none of us have to believe it so why do you obsess so much over it. This is just a freaking online website its not the endall. Give it a rest already, we’d all like to move on a just discuss CLF.
As far as being insecure about my lineage, thats amusing. I love my lineage and my sifu and wouldn’t trade it for anything. CLF is CLF, I was taught if your chop choy is powerful, show me. I don’t need to hear about you moving your chi here and there, just show me. Too many people try to make everything so “magical and mysterious”. A fist is a fist and kick is a kick. You can spit and swallow all you want. :eek:
you get a A+ for effort but this kind of stuff will always go on and on and on. Not just here with CLF but Wing Chun, Northern Mantis, Shaolin, you name it. There’s at least a few in every camp that just won’t let any of it go. There are even fewer unbiased serious researchers.