How do you know if some one has good Wing Chun?
What should they possess for it to be good WC?
is it forms, Chi Sau, the three terrors of WC; Fok, Tan and Bong?
PLEASE SHARE IN YOUR OPINION HOW TO TELL IF SOMEONE HAS GOOD WING CHUN?
[QUOTE=Yoshiyahu;1171864]How do you know if some one has good Wing Chun?
What should they possess for it to be good WC?
is it forms, Chi Sau, the three terrors of WC; Fok, Tan and Bong?
PLEASE SHARE IN YOUR OPINION HOW TO TELL IF SOMEONE HAS GOOD WING CHUN?[/QUOTE]
When they fight, they win AND it looks like the Wing Chun THEY do in training.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1171866]When they fight, they win AND it looks like the Wing Chun THEY do in training.[/QUOTE]
Very good Sanjuro_ronin question though does all training look the same in actual fighting…
does a boxer look the same sparring as he does when he shadow box?
Does a Karate guy look the same when he free spars oppose to drills,katas and point sparring?
Just asking a question that is all…
[QUOTE=Yoshiyahu;1171868]Very good Sanjuro_ronin question though does all training look the same in actual fighting…
does a boxer look the same sparring as he does when he shadow box?
Does a Karate guy look the same when he free spars oppose to drills,katas and point sparring?
Just asking a question that is all…[/QUOTE]
Do boxers look the same when they fight and train? pretty much yep.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1171870]Do boxers look the same when they fight and train? pretty much yep.[/QUOTE]
I’m sorry, but that’s simply not true on both counts.
[QUOTE=Ali. R;1171912]I’m sorry, but that’s simply not true on both counts.[/QUOTE]
Sparring doesn’t look like fighting?
When I see my si-jeh Carol doing chi sau with a guy over 100 lbs. heavier and totally controling him, I’m in awe. She can get men right up on their toes without getting tagged.
I really know I’m seeing somthing special when one doesn’t seem to use any strength or or show exessive speed to get the score. Sweet. Players who are really good don’t seem to use many ‘techniques’ which is a brain twister when you realise half of what your doing in the first 3 to 5 years you’ll likely abandon.
That would be the look of the art of fighting without fighting, then you are doing the art right.
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I don’t think there would be any difficulty at all in being able to recognize wing chun being used in any event. One thing I have noticed in video’s is that most chunners like to play chi sao. It is a myth that you do not use force. A pak, a tan, a fook, should all be done like you mean it. I will hurt one’s arms using these, and have caused fractures to opponents arm bones. If you can apply a technique perfectly it should give you some advantage against a stronger opponent, but if you are also strong and apply great force, then your technique is all the more powerful.
I don’t think there would be any difficulty at all in being able to recognize wing chun being used in any event. One thing I have noticed in video’s is that most chunners like to play chi sao. It is a myth that you do not use force. A pak, a tan, a fook, should all be done like you mean it. I will hurt one’s arms using these, and have caused fractures to opponents arm bones. If you can apply a technique perfectly it should give you some advantage against a stronger opponent, but if you are also strong and apply great force, then your technique is all the more powerful.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1171870]Do boxers look the same when they fight and train? pretty much yep.[/QUOTE]
Well, there are a lot of boxing exercises designed to develop attributes for fighting. These exercises are quite different than fighting.
Jump Rope
Speed Bag - 3 kinds
Heavy Bag
Ropes - duck under
What does look the same as fighting?
Good Pad Work
Shadow Boxing
Sparring
Good Wing Chun slaps you right in the face LOL
Good Hong Kong/Ip Man wing chun is simple direct and efficient. It must be completely logical and everything is there for a reason. Either fighting technique, training method or body conditioning drill.
Experienced teachers will put their layer ontop. This is very important as nobody knows everything and the older you get the wiser you should be.
Paul
www.moifa.co.uk
[QUOTE=Wayfaring;1171947]Well, there are a lot of boxing exercises designed to develop attributes for fighting. These exercises are quite different than fighting.
Jump Rope
Speed Bag - 3 kinds
Heavy Bag
Ropes - duck under
What does look the same as fighting?
Good Pad Work
Shadow Boxing
Sparring[/QUOTE]
Well, obviously rope skipping and speed bag work will NOT look like fighting, though the HB work SHOULD.
When a boxer spars and even shadow box you will see him move and hit just like he does in a real fight.
Certainly a real fight will not be so “fluid and smooth” because they other guy is hitting back, but everything that is done in sparring and shadow boxing will come out in a fight ( ring or outside).
A trained boxer caught in video fighting someone will make you say: That guy is a boxer.
One experience I had, I thought looked nothing like WC. When my buddies came over they were all laughing and saying “Dave fully Wing Chuned him!!!” So to me it looked nothing like WC but to my buddies it sure did.
Not sure what it looked like to the guy that I “Wing Chuned” but who cares. He actually got what he asked for.
-DavidE
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1171866]When they fight, they win AND it looks like the Wing Chun THEY do in training.[/QUOTE]
Don’t disagree with the second part but saying someone’s Wing Chun is good only if they win is a poor yardstick IMHO. You can have poor Wing Chun and win if you are lucky or the other guy is poor, or you can have great Wing Chun and lose if you get unlucky or the other guy is great. No martial art makes you invincible.
The only way to recognize good wing chun is when it bites you in the @$$!!!
[QUOTE=Wayfaring;1171947]Well, there are a lot of boxing exercises designed to develop attributes for fighting. These exercises are quite different than fighting.
Jump Rope
Speed Bag - 3 kinds
Heavy Bag
Ropes - duck under
What does look the same as fighting?
Good Pad Work
Shadow Boxing
Sparring[/QUOTE]
Exactly!
Similarly, a big part of WC training is for the development of certain attributes used in fighting, but NOT fighting moves/postures themselves. Much like, jumping ropes develops lightness and stamina which is useful in fighting but if a boxer skips around in that posture would just be comical.
Many of the WC postures/moves used in real fights are equally comical.
How to recognize Good Wing Chun ?
[QUOTE=wingchunIan;1172036]Don’t disagree with the second part but saying someone’s Wing Chun is good only if they win is a poor yardstick IMHO. You can have poor Wing Chun and win if you are lucky or the other guy is poor, or you can have great Wing Chun and lose if you get unlucky or the other guy is great. No martial art makes you invincible.[/QUOTE]
wingchunIan , so what you ’ re really saying is it does ’ nt matter if the wing chun technique is good or bad . If the atttacker throws a right straight punch towards your face and you use a block of your choice to block the punch and you strike , if the timing is off you can miss the punch and still get hit ? So it ’ s like saying you and the attacker and punch eachother out ?
And if you ’ re able to block the attackers’ punch with the block of your choice and punch the attacker in the face , then that ’ s good wing chun then , is that what you ’ re saying ?
[QUOTE=lance;1172072]wingchunIan , so what you ’ re really saying is it does ’ nt matter if the wing chun technique is good or bad . If the atttacker throws a right straight punch towards your face and you use a block of your choice to block the punch and you strike , if the timing is off you can miss the punch and still get hit ? So it ’ s like saying you and the attacker and punch eachother out ?
And if you ’ re able to block the attackers’ punch with the block of your choice and punch the attacker in the face , then that ’ s good wing chun then , is that what you ’ re saying ?[/QUOTE]
think you need to read my post again mate. What i was saying is that even the most gifted Wing Chun fighter can lose a fight (as can any other martial artist) it doesn’t mean that their Wing Chun is no good, it just means that circumstances at the time lead to them losing. They may have excellent Wing Chun but the other person has better x, y or z. They may be awesome on 95% of occassions but could be feeling ill or be exhausted, or may slip at the vital moment or hell even just have a bad day at the office (which happens in everything). Of course if you always lose then something is clearly wrong.