How can you use your Wing Chun to defeat a ground figher with out going to ground or having taking any Ground fighting classes?
…run
just effing bite them… take a few mouthfuls off of their bodies, they’ll let up real quick. 
Oh, oh…newbie to wing chun forum alert!!! :eek:
He’s obviously unaware that there have been about 600 threads on this subject so far…:rolleyes: 
[QUOTE=Yoshiyahu;919905]How can you use your Wing Chun to feet a ground figher with out going to ground or having taking any Ground fighting classes?[/QUOTE]
Let me ask you this, what is it about a “wrestler” and what he does that warrants a thread about how to defeat him?
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;919924]Let me ask you this, what is it about a “wrestler” and what he does that warrants a thread about how to defeat him?[/QUOTE]
Come on man. You’ve got Stone Cold Steve Austin breathing fire and smashing beer cans on his head, full ones so he’s really really ****ed, coming for you.
That answers your question.
You’ve got Stone Cold Steve Austin breathing fire and smashing beer cans on his head, full ones so he’s really really ****ed, coming for you.
Gun. Gun is only solution to that guy.
[QUOTE=taojkd;920007]Gun. Gun is only solution to that guy.[/QUOTE]
That’ll just **** him off !!
AS Vic said, this dead horse has been flogged to life again and back to dead several hundred times on various fora including this one. Every possible position on the subject, from the eminently sensible to the utter lunatic, from WC fundamentalism to MMA fundamentalism via pragmatism and back has been stated over and over.
Many WC styles have some groundfighting in them. But their practitioners are unlikely to have a hope on the ground against someone who trains there every day unless they do the same.
If you’'re concerned about fighting groundfighters (why?), learn groundfighting. Know your enemy, even if he exists only in your imagination.
You’re likely to avoid fights with wrestlers if you stop going to wrestling meets and shouting out that all that hugging and those singlets make them look gay.
[QUOTE=anerlich;920025]AS Vic said, this dead horse has been flogged to life again and back to dead several hundred times on various fora including this one. Every possible position on the subject, from the eminently sensible to the utter lunatic, from WC fundamentalism to MMA fundamentalism via pragmatism and back has been stated over and over.
Many WC styles have some groundfighting in them. But their practitioners are unlikely to have a hope on the ground against someone who trains there every day unless they do the same.
If you’'re concerned about fighting groundfighters (why?), learn groundfighting. Know your enemy, even if he exists only in your imagination.
You’re likely to avoid fights with wrestlers if you stop going to wrestling meets and shouting out that all that hugging and those singlets make them look gay.[/QUOTE]
The problem sometimes is that too many people think that if they take up BJJ or MMA to adress the ground issue that, somehow, they are not doing their “style” anymore.
Someone has told them that to do B you have to stop A 
Fact is, you wanna use your WC VS a wrestler, learn to wrestle, learn what they are good at, what their wekanesses are and learn hwo to use your WC to counter their strengths and expolit their weaknesses.
This is what every other MA FIGHTER(S) has ever done, why stop now?
avoid getting taken down 
its not always a guarantee. look at chuck liddell. although hes not inept on the ground he is primarily a striker. how often does he get taken down.
something that can help with being taken down is to not stay stationary. keep circling. this lateral movement makes it a little harder for him to shoot on your perfectly. harder to get a double leg on you. if he goes for the single then you have more opportunity to choke him, or hit him in soem other way.
also keep low, lower center of gravity. dont stand there flat footed with a straight back.
this is not a guaranteed defense, but things to work on.
also, if for what reason you cannot learn some form of groundfighting, learn to bridge and get people off you so you can scramble to your feet again
[QUOTE=clam61;920063]avoid getting taken down
its not always a guarantee. look at chuck liddell. although hes not inept on the ground he is primarily a striker. how often does he get taken down.
something that can help with being taken down is to not stay stationary. keep circling. this lateral movement makes it a little harder for him to shoot on your perfectly. harder to get a double leg on you. if he goes for the single then you have more opportunity to choke him, or hit him in soem other way.
also keep low, lower center of gravity. dont stand there flat footed with a straight back.
this is not a guaranteed defense, but things to work on.
also, if for what reason you cannot learn some form of groundfighting, learn to bridge and get people off you so you can scramble to your feet again[/QUOTE]
Chuck was an excellent wrestler and a Purple belt in BJJ, I think.
I don’t know about his BJJ skills but he was a division 1 wrestler at California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo.
Being a division 1 wrestler puts you pretty high up on the grappling food chain.
So the answer is for the WCer to become a Div. 1 wrestler.
Problem solved!
WC fundamentalism
As WC fundamentalism or WC Purist how does one defeat a wrestler.
In other words No matter if you advoid the take down or you are taking down to ground what are some purely Wing Chun tactics for getting off the ground or advoiding the take down.
As for being a Newbie Ultimate this is my first week on this Forum. So Newbie I am…
Anyway I heard biting as one technique. Anything else to accompany biting?
I mean what I am looking for is some possible solution to defeat a wrestler with out learning wrestling.
So how do you take a wrestler out with out taking up BJJ or learning how to wrestle?
A couple of examples of what I mean:
How to defeat a boxer with out taking up boxing(Don’t play the boxers game). How to defeat a Tae Kwon Do Guy with out taking up Tae Kwon Do(Don’t play their game, Jam thier distance, bridge the gap so they don’t have room to kick).
Please surely Wing Chun can defeat both striking and grappling styles with out having to to learn the various styles? Or is it Wing Chun is unable to defeat wrestlers. If thats the case why learn Wing Chun. If all Wrestling and grappling styles can defeat WC why not just learn ground fighting so you can beat WC fighters. By default any fighter a WC guy can defeat you will be able to defeat because Grappling and Ground Fighting is superior to pure Wing Chun.
In other words Ground fighting is the ultimate art that can not be defeated unless you study ground fighting!
How to defeat a wrestler?
Well first, using your gan sau you would have to… :eek: j/k
Looking for a written explaination to a alive event would do you no good. If you want to learn how to deal with a wrestler, without having to take up the study wrestling itself, the only logical advise I can give you is to investigate their method, spar with them, get taken down by them, counter them and then repeat repeat repeat until you are familiar with their methods and confident with your response.
I recently had a VT buddy have a experience with a wrestler, and he was able to successfully avoid his takedown attempts on few occasions. Of course, what one person does means little to another, but it does provide evidence that nothing is impossible, and that both methods can either win in the encounter or lose, it’s up to each individual, not what someone tells you on a internet forum or in person.
Remember, VT doesn’t fight, you do, and it is what you do with your training that counts.
James
[QUOTE=Yoshiyahu;920091]
Anyway I heard biting as one technique. Anything else to accompany biting?
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Biting is a very very bad idea to do to a grappler who has taken you down. Look at the scenario.
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He has taken you down.
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He has achieved a dominant position.
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You bite him.
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A very very p1ssed off wrestler now sits on you chest and beats you without mercy. You lose many teeth and you promise God that you will never bite anyone ever again.
southern boat kung fu is for fighting on boats and small spaces
and the empty hand fighting is mostly to train reaction time for using weapons
on flat ground , cannot defeat wrestlers or long range northern kung fu
[QUOTE=m1k3;920097]Biting is a very very bad idea to do to a grappler who has taken you down. Look at the scenario.
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He has taken you down.
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He has achieved a dominant position.
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You bite him.
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A very very p1ssed off wrestler now sits on you chest and beats you without mercy. You lose many teeth and you promise God that you will never bite anyone ever again.[/QUOTE]
Well if your talking about competition, of course you would not “bite” someone, lol. But if you are a VT guy, competiting in a wrestling tournament, then what chance do you have anyways?
On the street (where he is more than likely going to beat you without mercy anyways, regardless if you bite him first or not), if someone has you mounted and you don’t know what the hell is going on, I would bite if the opportunity arose, but not just bite as a fight finisher but to use it as a set up for something else. You have to do something right, it may not be the only choice, but the opportunity may be there. The problem with biting, is the fact that you don’t know what you are biting into, the guy could be full of disease.
Paul Vunak has some video on this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMhVLPwH47k, and there is a FMA art the exclusively concentrates on biting. There are something like 14 different ways to bite, and the muscles in the jaw have to be trained. They also train with meat attached to your partners body so you can actually bite someone in various spots to make it more realistic. I believe Vu advises that without any grappling experience, biting will more than likely not be a choice, and that one still has to have some skills to make it work. And if someone is in a more superior ground position than you, they also have the opportunity to bite you as well, the thing is if you aren’t training it it may not come out.
My loonies worth:cool:
James
"I mean what I am looking for is some possible solution to defeat a wrestler with out learning wrestling.
So how do you take a wrestler out with out taking up BJJ or learning how to wrestle?"
***A SO-SO WRESTLER…garn sao and elbow strike.
A good wrestler - baseball bat.