The confusion might come from Chan Tat Fu’s use of ‘Hap’ to mean Join Together for his branch of Lion’s Roar: “Sai Jong Hap-Gar Si Ji Hao” (as a student of Au Wing Ning - TWC and Lama, and a student of two disciples: - one of Wong Yan Lum and one of Wong Hon Wing for Hop-Gar). As far as I know this useage is specific to Chan Tat Fu’s line. I haven’t heard that Chan Tat Fu says that Hop was originally Hap, only that he uses the term Hap to signify the unity of the branches he learnt from. A student of mine was told this in person by Chan Tat Fu when visiting him in HK.
I’ve looked at as much info on this subject as anyone (oh, come on, let’s be real, I’ve looked at more of the info than 99% of the people on here!) and it is VERY CLEAR that the original “Hop Gar” was “Knight Family” and NEVER “combination”. If you say that one particular lineage uses “combination” well OK, but “once ronin” should NOT be saying “oh, it’s always been combination” because it is completely untrue and we’ve politely said that only to have him come back and try to “poo poo” us…
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;1120799]I’ve looked at as much info on this subject as anyone (oh, come on, let’s be real, I’ve looked at more of the info than 99% of the people on here!) and it is VERY CLEAR that the original “Hop Gar” was “Knight Family” and NEVER “combination”. If you say that one particular lineage uses “combination” well OK, but “once ronin” should NOT be saying “oh, it’s always been combination” because it is completely untrue and we’ve politely said that only to have him come back and try to “poo poo” us…[/QUOTE]
You need to take that up with Once Ronin.
My post was to try to suggest where his viewpoint may have come from, and an explanation for how (potentially) an error or misunderstanding may have arisen. He has said to me that he visited Chan Tat Fu at his home address in HK and that he was the source of his information. My student also visited him (Chan Tat Fu) and was told what I have said in my previous post. To me there’s enough room for a potential misunderstanding. My line originates with Chan Tat Fu, who is a highly respected HK SiFu, and I was told back in 1973 that it was ‘Sai Jong Hap Gar Si-Ji-Hao’. The associated or joined family (Hap) not referring to an alternate name for Hop-Gar but to a specific blend of his own learning of the three branches: Lama, TWC and HOP-Gar - that passed thru Chan-Tat-Fu and that, that name was how he wished his people to refer to it. Nothing more, nothing less. The UK branch from him most often call it Hop-Gar, I have done myself, it saves on explanation, and Hop-Gar is a part of it.
Well, HE was the one I’ve corrected two (three?) times already
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My post was to try to suggest where his viewpoint may have come from, and an explanation for how (potentially) an error or misunderstanding may have arisen.
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Understood completely, but doesn’t negate my point. Several of us have tried POLITELY to correct him and he comes off with an “attitude”. Maybe that isn’t how he intends, but it is how he comes off none the less
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To me there’s enough room for a potential misunderstanding.
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which is why you should always FIRST try to be polite and clear. But when you have explained yourself, posted the characters, etc and someone still retorts in what might be characterized as a “snotty” attitude you have the situation here, am I being clear?
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My line originates with Chan Tat Fu, who is a highly respected HK SiFu,
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Aware who he is, never said he wasn’t respected. Again, NOT the issue here
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;1120818]Well, HE was the one I’ve corrected two (three?) times already
Understood completely, but doesn’t negate my point. Several of us have tried POLITELY to correct him and he comes off with an “attitude”. Maybe that isn’t how he intends, but it is how he comes off none the less
which is why you should always FIRST try to be polite and clear. But when you have explained yourself, posted the characters, etc and someone still retorts in what might be characterized as a “snotty” attitude you have the situation here, am I being clear?
Aware who he is, never said he wasn’t respected. Again, NOT the issue here[/QUOTE]
No worries, my bust for trying to offer an explanation for something that had nothing to do with me. The intention was good however.
[QUOTE=Indrafist;1120822]No worries, my bust for trying to offer an explanation for something that had nothing to do with me. The intention was good however.[/QUOTE]
A simply notion, there is opinion, which granted everyone possesses and then there is knowledge which few possess, because it comes from years of doing research on a particular subject; therefore, the latter is on David side like it or not…
[QUOTE=jo;1122060]Where does Steven “Indrafist” Richards fit in?
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The southern forum is NOT what it used to be in the past.
Personal attacks, like those that have happened in the past, will not be tolerated here.
Just an FYI for everyone.
A forum is a place for everyone to share what they experience or knowledge.
Not to take sides and force opinions on each other.
In a arguement between the Catholics and Christians as to who is right and wrong in their history, both are written, who knows who’s right and who’s wrong?
