i have some drills from alexander"kaito"polintain that have elements of what harry"ng"ming taught him in sanfrancisco
in the early seventies
Well done my little friend
turning back the clock to the retro years of the 70’s.
No I haven’t heard of Henry but you can’t miss someone who has an afro and platform shoes.
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HEY hamster peani$$ I MISSED YOU HUGS N KISSEZ
who are you do you know anything or are you a IDIOT thanx8)…
Yes I’m an Idiot
But smart enough to know that you’re looking to learn kungfu from a 70’s disco freak with an Afro and platform shoes.
You like the track Kung Fu is Fighting? Swing those arms my boy!
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Diego, ignore him..its rolls/ralek in some form or another…like I posted before, I dont know anythign about sifu henry wu, I onlyk now hop gars history and about my sifu, sifu Ku Chi Wai…
Zvika
“There is a fine line between coincidence and destiny”
would you be so kind to coresspond thru email
i could write the hopga aspects of my techniques,and you could point out any similaritys,and some history of the motions;maybe some classical descriptions like the tai chi formulas.
if you could tell me about your sifu and lineage,that would be great.
my e-mail is
todd4@angelfire.com
please leave your forum name and the word hop gar,so i know it isnt a virus.
hope to hear from you soon… :mad:
hop gar stuff
just put the infor on line so that everyone can comment about it. But let me start. Pak Hok is based on about 7 to 8 differnt punches. The first and the most basic is the Jin - long range punch but can be adapted to a short range punch. Quite useless actually. the rest are circular punches and the 8th is the Jow - or claw. also rather useless. The system is based on simultanous attack and defence. That is, you twist your boday and throw a punch at the same time to create a smaller surface area for your opponent to hit. Ok that would work under some situations where the opponent doesn’t sidestep. Accordingly, the concept of simulatanous attack and defence is good but the way pak Hok goes about it is quite useless. There’s also the soft crane which looks abit like tai chi - and seems to be an “add-on” to the system as it is completely different to the main 6 or so forms. There’re self defence applications which are very impractical and so are the circular blocks -totally useless.
A useless style in my opinion but i shall not disclose my instructor’s school as we actaully good friends. We just disagree about this aspect of kung fu that’s all.
Have fun in your useless quest!
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Ok Diego
My email is TieFighter15@juno.com
Do the same thing so I know that its nto someone harrasing me or something, ya know these things happen.
Zvika
“There is a fine line between coincidence and destiny”
Ego, I have no clue why I’m responding but I’m gonna say that you dont know the first thing about Hop Gar. Period. If ya knew anything, you’d realize that what you thing is strange foot work actually is quite useful because we are moving our feet so that our opponent cant catch us and take us down.
Zvika
“There is a fine line between coincidence and destiny”
Foot work
Kong
But of course you move your feet! Nethertheless, the Jin punch leaves you pretty much exposed with the other arm swung way back behind you.
The circular blocks are totally ineffective. The radius of the circle could be shortened.
The short punch with the elbows up exposes the ribs for no reason that to have them hit by someone’s knees.
I haope I’ve now given you a reason to respond.
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No use trying to convince a fu@king troll about anything. Ego, get a Hop Gar Sifu who knows what he’s doing, study for say 1 year, you might understand thinga bit better. I’m not responding to what might look like inellegence b/c it isn’t.
Zvika
“There is a fine line between coincidence and destiny”
Oh yeah one more thing…watch someone who knows what he’s doin fight with Hop Gar and THEN AND ONLY THEN COME BACK AND RANT YOUR STUPIDITY…
Zvika
“There is a fine line between coincidence and destiny”
hahahahaha
this is funny, what style do you practise ego?
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Hop Gar
Kong,
Been there done that. I may be stupid but you can still learn alot from me.
First lesson for you is humility.
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Foot work
Kong
But of course you move your feet! Nethertheless, the Jin punch leaves you pretty much exposed with the other arm swung way back behind you"“”““kinda redundant when youve already mashed his temple/stolen tha center then walk in like a gorrila and knock him out””“”.
The circular blocks are totally ineffective. The radius of the circle could be shortened"““how do you block heavy attacks in a melee at long range for a two minute fight””“”.
The short punch with the elbows up exposes the ribs for no reason that to have them hit by someone’s knees.“”““have you learnt full application in the timeframe of history with the different footwork changes/ever thought of guard ribs with rear palm works for me””“”..
so from your perspective that you seem to be limited to whats your basis and whathafukyou sayn
Howdy
Yep Hello to Diego & Kong
Ego your a curious guy:))) Probably a nice guy but right now a ******* and i’m very humble sorry for my english…now what’s your background ???
Hop gar is based on 4 principles…I’m sure everyone know that..destroy,evade,penetrate & intercept…hop gar fighter hate close the range or the in fighting…& if he’s closed he employ grappling (throwing )no time too employ hiting at closed range…maybe some trapping can work but in the reality at closed range trapping the hands is good but you have to check head butt ecttttt
so the idea his to strike the opponent with long range swinging punch very powerful this punch…but you have to add a very good footwork that’s what hop gar have…simple if the hands go in straight lines the footwork is circular …if hands go in circular footwork straight…
about the hands going back in the jin choi…this hands can be a grabbing & unbalanced of the opponent pulling the opponent in the punch…also the punch is employ at long range not a closed range so with the turning action of the body you have the reach to strike the opponent but the opponent can’t reach you very powerfully with his fist…so after the impact the opponent go back & my next hit will be a powerful swing strikes of my fist behind me…this punching technique are knouckout punch employing the hips & all the bodyweight.for sure at closed range is not very effective but hop gar is not a closed range arts…but hop gar have a closed range tactic…a lot of shuai jiao( mongolian wrestling)
Just my two cent
By the way I’m not a Hop Gar student…but like this style
steeve hey///whats up to all…
STEEEVE WHAT YOUR BASICALLY SAYING FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF A BAR FIGHT:
you prolly wouldnt want to straight lets say basic??wc it…use arm sweeps and nek pokes and groin toe flicks turn stop dudes bottle slam a palm to cheek knee solar trip turn overhead his buddy about to push you off him…is that what you meant by having to use shuao chio and trapping not very time consuming art when you have who knows how many oppsz in the pub–unless your supreme blindfold’d wooden dummy master…
peace to all styles yall see that guy he was ninja
you see that guy hes a goof"self quote use it when analyzing ma""…
Yep Yep Yep
Diego…That want I mean…Your english is better of mine:))))
All Style are good…the important is training but fit this to yourself depending of your physical…sure pressure point & all secret stuff…but in a real fight you need power striking & dirtie trick if your opponent have 50 pound or more of you or have 1 feet more of you …you have too be a good time & you have to hit him hard…I know that I’m small guy & skinny…I try to choke a friend just for fun with 70 pound more of me with the more realistic situation & He stand up & hit the wall with me on his back trying to choke him:)))) I hit the wall…but I don’t hit him …anyway reality…all punch need body weight behind him…some punch like pheonix eyes is good & very painful if you hit too good spot but in real fight is difficult…anyway that’s street fighting & martrial arts is not just for that…But that’s bad cause a lot of people have false confidence …He train in MA but when the reality came is dead…train realistic & adapt your stuff to your own physical & mental way…
philosophical of hop gar…excerpt from the book of hop gar "When facing a tiger you cannot say "look here,tiger,let’s talk this over.“the tiger will not talk.Whether fighting a rabbit or an elephant he will always exert maximum force to kill” the chon or destroy principle
Have a good day
Hop Gar
Hi Steeeve,
I have a back ground in Pak Hok Pai which is very similar to Hop Gar. And yes we were taught Maongolain wrestling as well. What i would say is that those swinging arm movements are very hard to hit someone at long range because they’re so predictable. In general, large movements should be used at short range - check out Ba Gua or Pi Qua (Northern systems) if you haven’t already done so.
And in your second post, I agree with you that alot of martial arts techniques are impractical to street fighting. I have illustrarted the ineffectiveness of the pheonix eye fist in another posr because it is aiming for such a small target.
My opinon is that if an art is not designed for street fighting it is a waste of time. This means most Southern sytles including hop gar are useless.
You’ve mentioned that you’re a small person, I don’t think Hop Gar is suitable for you. Try a northern sytem you’ll probably find them a lot more adaptable and practical to street fighting.
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Attention:EVERYONE IGNORE ANYTHING EGO SAYS.
Ego, all I gotta say to you is that my sifu is about 5 feet even -gonna tell me that a long arm style doesnt work with short people??? Steeve, you coulda passed for a Hop Gar Student - you sounded like one of our instructors…very nicely put.
Ok Diego, now that I actually have a chance to read these posts from the last few days…here goes (BTW - Check your email in two days or so):
Kong
But of course you move your feet! Nethertheless, the Jin punch leaves you pretty much exposed with the other arm swung way back behind you"“”““kinda redundant when youve already mashed his temple/stolen tha center then walk in like a gorrila and knock him out””“”.
Yeah - thats about right.
The circular blocks are totally ineffective. The radius of the circle could be shortened"““how do you block heavy attacks in a melee at long range for a two minute fight””“”.
Ego, well of course you’d shorten it unless you were fightin multiple opponents in which case your blocks would turn into a round of churn wai kurn (however you spell that) would knock them all off their feet!!! Understand this: we use alot of our blocking to lead into a much more powerful attack that quickly follows it.
The short punch with the elbows up exposes the ribs for no reason that to have them hit by someone’s knees.“”““have you learnt full application in the timeframe of history with the different footwork changes/ever thought of guard ribs with rear palm works for me””“”..
so from your perspective that you seem to be limited to whats your basis and whathafukyou sayn
Ok, so I admit that I havea bout 8-9 months experience at most - From what I have seen, if you are refering to a chin choy -y you might havea point- but then again we side step our opponent most of the time. Chai Sen - wrong. If ya knew what the hell was goin on while you were studying Hop Gar, might have realized that there is a block right before you throw the punch. Be the way, the way you train isn’t necessariy the way you fight. for eaxample, i have friend who studies hung gar…you think he fights in horse stance? of course not! he fights in a kick boxers stance…I think I’ve spoken my piece and you all can relax because this rant is over…
Zvika
“There is a fine line between coincidence and destiny”