How many blocks are executed in a typical wing chun class? I’ll be starting Wing Chun soon & I wanted to know just how many blocks do you guys do in a typical Wing Chun class. I’m wondering if it’s between something like 500-1,000 blocks or is it even more?
[QUOTE=jfjkd01;1201718]How many blocks are executed in a typical wing chun class? I’ll be starting Wing Chun soon & I wanted to know just how many blocks do you guys do in a typical Wing Chun class. I’m wondering if it’s between something like 500-1,000 blocks or is it even more?[/QUOTE]
Generally its 8 blocks all together, but I use strikes as well for blocking and while using the concept of Da., so it could be a lot more then the numbers you just presented.
Take care,
[QUOTE=jfjkd01;1201718]How many blocks are executed in a typical wing chun class? I’ll be starting Wing Chun soon & I wanted to know just how many blocks do you guys do in a typical Wing Chun class. I’m wondering if it’s between something like 500-1,000 blocks or is it even more?[/QUOTE]
Hello. It’s cool to hear your interest in Wing Chun and welcome to the forum!
To put it simply, there are no blocks in wing chun, so the answer would be zero. Anyone who would say otherwise has a very low level understanding of wing chun.
Wing chun uses things like structure, leverage, facing, gate theory, touch sentitivity (energy control), etc to redirect incoming attacks using as little motion and force as possible with the end goal aimed towards maximum efficiency. The term ‘block’ IMO implies force on force hard type of defense matching technique vs. technique which is not wing chun’s goal.
If I had to count typical techniques used to redirect and protect your space (be it tan sau, bong sau, pak sau, laan sau, etc), depening on the focus for any given class, a single technique could be drilled 100-1000 times or more to get the understanding of the proper facing, structure etc and their usage. The actual count could vary greatly depending on how many people you are parntered with, what you’re working on, how many reps you are doing, class intensity, etc. But, wing chun is more about understanding the overall principles and concepts of the system (centerline theory, gate theory, leverage points, overall body mechanics etc) vs. just drilling techniques or combinations. You’ll understand this more once you’ve been there for a few weeks or months 
Anyway, good luck in your training and hope you enjoy it!
[QUOTE=JPinAZ;1201725]To put it simply, there are no blocks in wing chun, so the answer would be zero.[/QUOTE]
Wow!!! I learn something new every day.
Wow!!!
[QUOTE=JPinAZ;1201725]To put it simply, there are no blocks in wing chun, so the answer would be zero.[/QUOTE]
Wow!!! I learn something new every day.
[QUOTE=JPinAZ;1201725] protect your space (be it tan sau, bong sau, pak sau, laan sau, etc)[/QUOTE]
Why use the word Sao if theres no such thing as blocks in wing chun?
Ingnore list is so nice
(Ali, if you’re replying to me, don’t waste your time - I don’t care what you have to say)
[QUOTE=Ali. R;1201729] Why use the word ‘Sao’ if there’s no such thing as blocks in wing chun?[/QUOTE]
Ali,
Is Sau the same as Block?? I was under the impression that Sau referred to arm, not block. For example when you use Taun Sau it can be translated as Palm Up Arm or Dispersing Arm. Sorry, I do not speak Chinese but my point is that I do not recall it ever being referred to as any type of “block”
I am afraid I would need to dissagree with you and agree with JPinAZ in stating there are few if any “blocks” per se in Wing Chun. There are parries and redirections but to my thinking a block is something entirely different than done as the norm in Wing Chun.
Having said that I would be hesitant to state an absolute so it is possible that some of use do perform “blocks” but it certainly is not the norm for the system.
Again, it may just be dependent on ones level of skill.
I like it a lot
You have a real good point there Mr. Mod, it refers to the concept of ‘energy’ and in translation to forward vector force = blocks.
But you just gave me something to think about as well.
Take care,
[QUOTE=Sihing73;1201742]Ali,
Is Sau the same as Block?? I was under the impression that Sau referred to arm, not block. For example when you use Taun Sau it can be translated as Palm Up Arm or Dispersing Arm. Sorry, I do not speak Chinese but my point is that I do not recall it ever being referred to as any type of “block”
I am afraid I would need to dissagree with you and agree with JPinAZ in stating there are few if any “blocks” per se in Wing Chun. There are parries and redirections but to my thinking a block is something entirely different than done as the norm in Wing Chun.
Having said that I would be hesitant to state an absolute so it is possible that some of use do perform “blocks” but it certainly is not the norm for the system.
Again, it may just be dependent on ones level of skill.[/QUOTE]
Sau means ‘hand’ and literally refers to hand and arm position. Not that is said position. Fook sau for example is a monitoring hand which can transition into other deflecting shapes but it does not deflect.
Now if the OP’s question is about the number of hand shapes in wing chun, or the number used in a class the answer is many. In fact when you combine all of the more subtle movements and variations on hand position and so on the answer is very, very many. Between my sihing and I there have been points whe we have been going so rapidly that between the two of us we probably used upward of 30 movements in a span of about two seconds.
Now if you mean the number of times each is practiced it depends upon the moves. More basic moves like pak sau and lap sau for instance will be practiced more often than more advanced moves.
[QUOTE=Sihing73;1201742]Ali,
Is Sau the same as Block?? I was under the impression that Sau referred to arm, not block. For example when you use Taun Sau it can be translated as Palm Up Arm or Dispersing Arm. Sorry, I do not speak Chinese but my point is that I do not recall it ever being referred to as any type of “block”
I am afraid I would need to dissagree with you and agree with JPinAZ in stating there are few if any “blocks” per se in Wing Chun. There are parries and redirections but to my thinking a block is something entirely different than done as the norm in Wing Chun.
Having said that I would be hesitant to state an absolute so it is possible that some of use do perform “blocks” but it certainly is not the norm for the system.
Again, it may just be dependent on ones level of skill.[/QUOTE]
Good post!
Something else worth mentioning, the idea of Loiu Lou Hoi Sung is key to answering why Wing Chun doesn’t ‘block’.
But did Ali really ask a question implying that ‘sao’ = ‘block’!!! :eek: Good lord… :rolleyes:
(I ask because I have Ali on Ignore - it’s a LOT more peaceful that way, and I don’t have to read all the racist remarks - I only see his silly comments when quoted and assume that question was in a reply to me).
= Block/only on my post
[QUOTE=JPinAZ;1201752]
But did Ali really ask a question implying that ‘sao’ = ‘block’!!! :eek: Good lord… :rolleyes:.[/QUOTE]
I was just speaking in laymen terms of application and not literally.
I know you can see me. Because its the women in you that keeps you from resisting, I dont want “to talk down to you”. because its clear that I would be the only one looking bad and not you.
You hearing/seeing my name is like a turkey caller, every time I go hunting and use one, sooner or later a bird will stick its ugly head up.
Now in this case; in your own a$$.
[QUOTE=JPinAZ;1201752]But did Ali really ask a question implying that ‘sao’ = ‘block’!!! :eek: Good lord… :rolleyes:
[/QUOTE]
Here is exactly what Ali asked: “Why use the word ‘Sao’ if there’s no such thing as blocks in wing chun?”
Seems like the idea is that Sao and block are somehow the same thing. :rolleyes:
But then again he claimed to be speaking in “laymans” terms so perhaps he could explain himself better.
Ali,
Please explain the usage of a Taun Sau or Bong Sau and how you believe them to be “blocking” motions. Perhaps I simply misunderstand and you really mean something else. I mean even though English is my native tongue perhaps it is not yours so you got confused.
Also, just a comment; trying to impress people by throwing out terms like force vector etc does not make you right. To be honest it kind of underscores the actual lack of real knowledge. Sorry 
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I don’t mean any harm just want to be treated fairly
I was just speaking in laymen terms of application and not literally.
It’s clear that you have full permission to insult me and it wouldn’t be consider “talking down to me”.
[QUOTE=JPinAZ;1201752]But did Ali really ask a question implying that ‘sao’ = ‘block’!!! :eek: Good lord… :rolleyes:
(I ask because I have Ali on Ignore - it’s a LOT more peaceful that way, and I don’t have to read all the racist remarks - I only see his silly comments when quoted and assume that question was in a reply to me).[/QUOTE]
But if I do the same it’s called “talking down to you”, because it’s clear that I would be the only one looking bad and not you. When that phase; has always been a racist dog whistle from the last 5 decade or so, to keep the other race in check, just Google it.
Geesh, what a turnaround from reasoning, a prime example of that statement in work; me “talking down to people”. He’s using the dog whistle. But yet I’m called a racist.
[QUOTE=Sihing73;1201795]Also, just a comment; trying to impress people by throwing out terms like force vector etc does not make you right. To be honest it kind of underscores the actual lack of real knowledge. Sorry ([/QUOTE]
He’s “talking down to me”. I thought we could have a nice conversation, you just fooled me real good.
Could we all just be nice to each other, because, I’m not allowed to talk back in my defense, while being insulted.
Ali,
You reap what you sow. I know you would not want me to post numerous examples of your comments. Sometimes were are a reflection of what we put out.
I asked for an example of how you utilize Taun and Bong as blocks.
So I will not make any other comments which you may take as pin*****s but let your explanation speak for itself.
So please explain how YOU use Taun and Bong Sau and why you would consider them to be a “block”.
There is a saying I tell my kids. Essentially if one person says something about you it is not often something to worry about. However if several people say the same thing you may want to consider if there is truth in what is being said.
You’re not telling the truth
[QUOTE=Sihing73;1201807]Ali,
You reap what you sow. I know you would not want me to post numerous examples of your comments. Sometimes were are a reflection of what we put out.
[/QUOTE]
Please show us all, I’m sure all here would love to see it.
If you keep deleting my post while I’m defending myself, then why spend any time with you, first you insulted my wife and marriage and then you called me uppity, WTF.
Please show us all; me being a racist to anyone, just prove it.
[QUOTE=jfjkd01;1201718]How many blocks are executed in a typical wing chun class? I’ll be starting Wing Chun soon & I wanted to know just how many blocks do you guys do in a typical Wing Chun class. I’m wondering if it’s between something like 500-1,000 blocks or is it even more?[/QUOTE]
What school or lineage are you joining, easier to answer you then…
Beginners level: block then attack
Medium level: simutaneous deflect and attack
Top level: attack
You try to hit me? I hit back.
[QUOTE=imperialtaichi;1201815]Beginners level: block then attack
Medium level: simutaneous deflect and attack
Top level: attack
You try to hit me? I hit back.[/QUOTE]
Good distinctions on levels of development.
[QUOTE=k gledhill;1201814]What school or lineage are you joining, easier to answer you then…[/QUOTE]
I have two Wing Chun schools within driving distance. One school is a William Cheung lineage, and the other is a second generation student of Wing Chun’s Yip Man under Master Ho Leung. I haven’t decide which school to go to yet.
He’s on the war path
Here we go again, over nothing.
He sent me a letter threatening me of being banned for being a racist.
And this is after he publicly admits of doing a racists act to me.
[QUOTE=Sihing73;1201807]Ali,
You reap what you sow. Sometimes were are a reflection of what we put out. [/QUOTE]
I cant believe it, why is he doing this to me?
Just like a true racist, when the light is shined on them, they run like roaches.
[QUOTE=Sihing73;1201807]Please be advised that should you continue to post in what can be construed as a racist manner you risk being banned from the board.
Please feel free to contact me should you wish to discuss this further.[/QUOTE]
Peace,