how do you manage your waist while doing YJKYM or Zhuang or SLT?
i settle it on steel wrapped in cotton 
sometimes forward, sometimes relaxed; depends on my mood.
both have their uses, so does the transition between them.
I use the Mystic Hula Hoop!
If you’ve ever seen a picture of me then you know my waist manages me.
Hey Andrew P. We must be bros.!!!
Managing the waist in America- surpasses
the logic of the myth of sisyphus.
Hence, sustained wing chun practice
is my rock!!
sit-ups, regular cardio exercise. Even still, the waist is slowly taking over…
Hello,
Somewhere in the middle of Heaven & Earth is where our waist can be found. It is the center of our being and the root of our movement. During my practice we always move the waist and then all else follows. Subtle of course.
Regards,
Jim- I dont know the details of what you do but if you begin
with the waist- it sounds a bit taijish. WC and taiji imo involve quite different dynamics even in its subtleties.
goes for hula hooping too.
joy
why is lots of WCK pictures when people do SLT/SNT or Bai Jong Or Chang Jong or … either the waist shows stuck rigid and under the waist is clamping rigid or the waist is floating and under the waist look like TKD standing?
Is that the Nature of the original of WCK?
When one Clamping a Bottle with Knees what happen to the waist?
Hi Joy,
WC and Taiji are indeed different. This is WC. Read below;
Kuen Yau Sum Faat!
Fist shoots from the heart!
Heart (sum) = Center
Real meaning;
Fist shoots from your center of gravity!
The Waist!
This is very common in numerous martial art including WC. Seeing how our roots “most likely” stem from Crane we can indeed see how the waist is also the nucleas for their movement as well!
Combine that with the open/close/rise/sink and bingo. If you do not throw your power you will not make use of your whole body IMO.
Perhaps you may want to look into that as I know your WC is a bit different from mine and the way we use the body is also a bit different. I am not saying one is right or wrong but they both have different body mechanics powering the tools.
Perhaps I will ask Kieth if he can explain some of the similarities and some of the differences he has found since he has explored this approach as he has a lot of experience with the Fong approach and has also some experience in Koo Lo approach.
See ya,
I’m not sure of the fine terminology differences between the hips and waist, but there is no telling power without their usage in the strike. Here lies the fine difference of friendly patting to a serious killing blow all by one’s good grace and favor. As such it cannot be rigid.
Regards,
Hi Jim, Joy
IMHO,
Kuen Yau Sum Faat means punch issue from Heart and that heart is not the physical heart. Because there are kuen Kuit phrases before and after this single Kuen Yau Sum Faat phrase.
As for the Physical location.
Actually, there are the control center, the local center, the power generator… different things.
And if one using the Kuen Yau Sum Faat as the physical heart area. Then, one adopt to the clamping of elbow and the lower body is tend to rigidly clamp. thus, the body break into to pice… so… can’t say wrong but it become heavy localized…
Well, WCK is not TaiJi but human is human right?
on top of human mountain not much different,
but some uses ball point and some uses fountain pen.
Just my two cents.
Originally posted by Jim Roselando
[B]Hello,
Somewhere in the middle of Heaven & Earth is where our waist can be found. It is the center of our being and the root of our movement. During my practice we always move the waist and then all else follows. Subtle of course.
Regards, [/B]
this sounds very taiji. i have to disagree. mabye you have been doing too much standing post? 
the root of our momement comes from the ground.
imho, the center of “our” being is unimportant apart from knowing that we can find the center of our opponents. the vast vast majority of the time our weapons are off center (as we can’t have a a fist or a foot in our waist - dont read as off the centerline). the center of our opponents being is much more important as thats what we seek to destroy
Jim or Hendrik,
On top of my head what do you mean by open/close/rise/sink? something like this + ?
Regards,
Originally posted by PaulH
[B]Jim or Hendrik,
On top of my head what do you mean by open/close/rise/sink? something like this + ?
Regards, [/B]
Pillow Dummy
Hello,
this sounds very taiji. i have to disagree. mabye you have been doing too much standing post?
Its ok to disagree! So, when you move your body what part intiated the move? Lets say for a shift or a step?
BTW: I dont know anything about Taiji as the most I ever did was one lesson to check it out. Not for me! Standing post? 15 minutes a day lately.
the root of our momement comes from the ground.
Your structure connect to the ground but when you move the whole body as a unit it has to start from your center of mass otherwise you end up with only local power.
imho, the center of “our” being is unimportant apart from knowing that we can find the center of our opponents.
Totally disagree! How does one control anothers center if they do not fully make use of their own center? If you do not use your waist in conjunction with your movement then it will most likely be kind of robotic.
the vast vast majority of the time our weapons are off center (as we can’t have a a fist or a foot in our waist - dont read as off the centerline). the center of our opponents being is much more important as thats what we seek to destroy
Attacking your opponents center is stategy but using your own center is how one achieve Whole Body power IMO.
Nice speaking with you.
i agree with jim 100%
Hello Jim,
In our wing chun movement begins at the waist/hips as well.
Hi Joy, – could you elbaborate on the dynamics of your systems method of movement?
Troy
Jim,
I can’t pass Hendrik’s dummy pillow test. Do you mind helping me a little, just a little? Ha! Ha!
Regards,
Hi Hendrik-
Again a long post of mine ended up in cyberspace by punching the wrong button. I dont know apparently where the center of the key board is!
But I do not know what photos pics you allude in your generalizations.
In any case- tofu stomach- cotton belly— I have plenty of both without doing taiji. (I have had very good exposure to first rate taji and wing chun theory and have a sense of the differences)The ygkym is the basis of my standing post. And good chum kiu
controls the dynamics of evrything as power arising low is transferred via the waist to the hands.
I don’t import anything that is not good Ip Man wing chun. No smuggling of taiji waist usage, karate or judo hip usage, no boxing shoulder loading or falling step–though a quixotic knee of mine
makes its own appearances. Its a generic “I” that I am using btw not a self preoccupied I)
(Jim- as you know -I don’t do koo loo wing chun either)
Hendrik-The pigeon toed stance does not mean that the knees are rigid
or the waist or the hips or the buttocks.
The knees are aligned and always coordinated together and springy and the chum kiu turn done well teaches power coming from the ground up and going wherever you want it to go. The waist is not stiff but plays its role in the chain of controlled power and using the entire mass.. In wc like taiji- something moves- everything moves- but the chain of power is quite different in the two arts.
I dont know whether that conforms to your conception of original wing chun.
I am going to put some tofu in my belly for lunch- just to be sure!:-
PS. Troy- my old JAMA article describes my position pretty well.
It is at my site<www.azwingchun.com>
The COORDINATED knees get the first impulse to control and move the structure. , like controlling a pencil or pen for writing
your fingers control it at alow point not at the middle-though you are aware of the weight of the pencil or pen and adjust your fingers accordingly. The waist is very important in wing chun- otherwise power transfer from the botton will be jerky. If you use
the waist or hips for initiating the generation of power the chances are thare will be a bobbing effect and your center will rise or dip too much- and you will be toast for being taken down or thrown or pulled or pushed. Not too worry- I am not offended if others do things differently. I am used to the discussion of perspectives and ideas.
No bobbing- good structure- relaxed- right position- the arrow flies. The wing chun arrow punch is not a boxingpunch, a karate punch or a taiji or hsing I punch,
And with the cordinated knee structure you can ride on subways, boats, buses and trains, ski, play volley ball and make adjustments without beginning at the waist.