This isn’t the thread to tell me what an ass I am. Call me crazy, but this is an important thing to think about.
Did you use it in a fight, and come out alive?
Did your training keep you OUT of a fight?
Are you a full contact fighter of some kind with some wins under your belt? (point sparring need not apply.)
I know my styles can be used for self-defense because:
-I have helped train some MMA fighters and they have managed to inflict damage on me and vice versa.
-I got in a fight in Rhode Island when I was about 16, and double legged my opponent on the tile floor and held him down until the teacher showed up. Did you know that if it’s obvious you were just trying to keep from getting injured, school admin is much more forgiving? (I got completely off the hook)
-Current ring fighting evidence, well documented, historically accurate, and stored in visual media, suggests that they can be effectively used for fighting.
[This message was edited by Merryprankster on 11-27-01 at 06:27 AM.]
1)Scariest Muay Thai/KF/kali/MMA training partner I know says good things about my karate.
2)Bar situation(not a fight) guy broke his beer glass and waved it at a friend. Immobilized the arm with an elbow lock and diffused the situation with no bodily injury to any parties.
3)Used to fight constantly. Haven’t gotten into one since I started trainging over 10 years ago.(Except that one bar situation)
4)Limited competition experience but learned where holes/gaps were and worked to fix them. This one is sort of I learned where it wasn’t effective and had a chance to fix it. Mostly kickboxing format and friendly rolling but I even learned a few things from point sparring tourneys. not much I’ll grant you but a few things.
truth: i don’t. that’s why i understand the basic appeal of things like lineage. i can look at the fight record of Ciriaco Canete and say, “see. doce pares can fight.” but that doesn’t feel like a very satisfying answer.
and i don’t get into a lot of fights. none, in fact. so the next best thing is to experiment. construct experiments (sparring sessions) designed to prove or disprove various beliefs (e.g., my footwork can neutralize a grappler), run the experiment, land on my arse, revise the hypothesis (train accordingly), and try again.
I don’t know if my style can work, but I do know that so far that I can work in a street fight, do ok sparring and get my butt handed to me in the ring. The style provides the tools but it’s up to me to make it work.
[i]Signed,
Rogue, Soke and Senior Grandmaster of Southeast American Brazillian Bagua Combat Chi jitsu Kempo Karate Do and Choral Society.
The only tactical principle which is not subject to change; it is, “To use the means at hand to inflict the maximum amount of wounds, death, and destruction on the enemy in the minimum amount of time." [/i]
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What we really need is chicks with a whole new kinda orifice - Fish
Sharky, I should expect this level of immaturity from you after seeing your post titled “Hm.” regarding the woman that lives next door to you. I think everyone who unfortuneatly read that post is a bit more ignorant now for doing so. - Spectre
All i wanted was some RICE CAKES! Now? WE MUST BATTLE.
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What we really need is chicks with a whole new kinda orifice - Fish
Sharky, I should expect this level of immaturity from you after seeing your post titled “Hm.” regarding the woman that lives next door to you. I think everyone who unfortuneatly read that post is a bit more ignorant now for doing so. - Spectre
All i wanted was some RICE CAKES! Now? WE MUST BATTLE.
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What we really need is chicks with a whole new kinda orifice - Fish
Sharky, I should expect this level of immaturity from you after seeing your post titled “Hm.” regarding the woman that lives next door to you. I think everyone who unfortuneatly read that post is a bit more ignorant now for doing so. - Spectre
All i wanted was some RICE CAKES! Now? WE MUST BATTLE.
I was a bouncer for a long time, got into a lot of fights. Always did well (never got hurt too bad). When I got into MMA, I noticed that my ability increased a lot, and in a few situations knowing groundwork let me subdue guys with only minor injuries to them from falling badly usually. Although in the first scrap I got into after a while in MMA, I didnt realize how easy it is throw someone whos untrained, and I accidently dropped a guy on his head.
Now, I dont bounce anymore, but I get a lot of action in my MMA gym, and can see things I do now that I didnt do before, and my basics (striking, take downs, groundwork) are improving slowly but surely. One can never drill the basics enough!
“You guys have obviously never done any real fighting if you are mocking spitting”
Spinning Backfist
I just wanted to say that to me self defense situation and a fight are very different.
Ever had a gun pointed at your head? Was your martial art effective when this happened? Could you double leg the bad guy?
Well two of my training brothers already experienced guns pointed at their heads. What did they do? Give the car keys.
Fighting someone unarmed to me is not a self defense situation, its a Fight.
BTW, using double legs in untrained people is extremely easy and effective. I remember when i only had one week of training (i had only learned the stances at that time), i got into a fight with my brother.
I used to watch Nhb stuff on tv and i was also reading a book on about Wing Chun at that time.
So thats how the fight started (or at least as much as i remember from it):
We were at what i think would be my kicking range (my brother is shorter than me, so for him it was longer than kicking range). When he moved forward to reach me i hit him with a vertical punch (from the WC book). The punch stunned him and then i did a double leg and we ended up falling over a sofa There are other parts, including one when he punches losts of times in the face, but that im not telling.
You brake my elbow i put your face in s.hit! HA HA HA, how about that, HA HA!
it works, i was in a fight with four guys, and came out without a scratch, and had only been training for 3 months. So yeah, it works, but i don’t like fighting.
The object is not to hurt someone else, but to stop them from hurting you
1.) KOed someone in the ring
2.)broke someone’s ribs with a roundhouse kick
3.)I try to train effectively and realistically
4.)fights outside of the ring
resaons it may not be effective:
1.)been TKOed in the ring
2.)had the wind knocked out of me by a spin kick from a TKD friend of mine
3.)been knocked down by a boxer friend of mine
All that said though, I think I can hold my own.
Xeb. your friends did the right thing. If a gun was to my head, I woulda been walking home or calling a cab that night also. The car is replaceable, my brain is not - well, at least not until all of these cloning and genetics studies have been perfected :
"Just because I joke around sometimes doesn’t mean I’m serious about kung-fu.
" - nightair
There are other parts, including one when he punches losts of times in the face, but that im not telling.