anyone know this persons background and where he teach
That clip should be on the Tai Chi forum because its not chi sau!!!
GH
[QUOTE=Graham H;1086450]That clip should be on the Tai Chi forum because its not chi sau!!!
GH[/QUOTE]
really ???
im shocked 
it does stay introduction #1…
that did look more like my introduction to first time push hand than my first introduction to chi sau…but everyone teaches differently…
[QUOTE=jesper;1086458]really ???
im shocked :D[/QUOTE]
Ahhh the sarcasm went right over the top of my head that time!!! :D:D:D
GH
Hello,
According to the notes for this, the person indicates they studied under Wong Kiew Kit. While it does not resemble Chi Sau as I was taught, perhaps it is something new, possibly following the “scientific method” some have espoused.
FWIW Wong Kiew Kit is supposed to be of a Shaolin and Tai Chi line so maybe the poster of that video spelled something wrong or did not understand what was being taught. It does look more like Push Hands training.
[QUOTE=Sihing73;1086506]Hello,
According to the notes for this, the person indicates they studied under Wong Kiew Kit. While it does not resemble Chi Sau as I was taught, perhaps it is something new, possibly following the “scientific method” some have espoused. 
FWIW Wong Kiew Kit is supposed to be of a Shaolin and Tai Chi line so maybe the poster of that video spelled something wrong or did not understand what was being taught. It does look more like Push Hands training.[/QUOTE]
Like some, Wong Kiew Kit claims mastery of several different styles-including Cho Family wing chun.
They don’t do Ip Man chi sao- but do the clockwise and anti clock wise “rolling”.
There are “gulfs” most likely between Hendrik’s Yik Kam links and Wong’s Cho(e) family wing chun.
Technically, I believe he would be Hendrik’s senior.
Hendrik would be the best source to comment, if he choses to. I have no problem, if he doesn’t.
joy chaudhuri
[QUOTE=jesper;1086444]anyone know this persons background and where he teach
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWo_kW-AkSs&feature=related[/QUOTE]
Interesting as the ‘rotation’ shown in all the clips is commonly known in Gu Lao (Kulo) as Chisau from what I’ve heard.
I couldn’t say that it isn’t Wing Chun, but it’s definitely not Ip Man Wing Chun imho.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWo_kW-AkSs&feature=related
If they stay in 4-6 stance and move in circle with this kind of arms movement, it will be exactly the same as the Chinese weresting (Zheng Shou) - grip fighting.
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Like some, Wong Kiew Kit claims mastery of several different styles-including Cho Family wing chun.
They don’t do Ip Man chi sao- but do the clockwise and anti clock wise “rolling”.
joy chaudhuri[/QUOTE]
Very true. Wong Kiew Kit has stated that his Wing Choon (Wing Chun) is a family style.
I believe that many posters here do not comprehend the scope of Wing Chun (or kung fu, in general).
I hope many of them will take the time and watch more clips from the this master’s seminar to perhas get a better idea, so that the next time they come across this, or similar variations of WC, they can have a more informed discussion.
This type of rotation can be a platform for sticking hands. Just not the ‘look sau’ people come to expect when chi sao is mentioned.
It is likely not a mainstream version (Ip Man) of WC.
suki
..reminds me of a clip I saw Lo Man Kam doing recently…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAQzfA1gmxQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g12vY_JBZFo&feature=related
has to be one of the worst Ive laid eyes on !
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1086603]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWo_kW-AkSs&feature=related
If they stay in 4-6 stance and move in circle with this kind of arms movement, it will be exactly the same as the Chinese weresting (Zheng Shou) - grip fighting.
http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/718/gripfight.jpg[/QUOTE]
Joy
Yes. Wong is my siheng and he has evolved his art his way.
interesting. Zheng shou.
The way I have learn is there is no fix stance in doing this type of chi sau platform. and techniques can be any range. Including wrest .
This is old chi sau platform where yks, kulo , and cho still preserve.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1086829]techniques can be any range. Including wrest .[/QUOTE]
Hope this is a TCMA general training discussion and not just any particular style discussion.
This kind of training is commonly used in many TCMA styles such as WC, Taiji, Bagua, and Chinese wrestling.
In this clip,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWo_kW-AkSs&feature=related
I don’t see the intention on “wrist grip” and “grip breaking”.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1086829]interesting. Zheng shou…
This is old chi sau platform where yks, kulo , and cho still preserve.[/QUOTE]
I have to interject here Hendrik, because this is what I truly believe has caused, and still causes, confusion to the Wing Chun brotherhood across the globe.
This is not to be considered a ‘chisau’ platform at all, as chisau is it’s own platform. If anything these exercises, along with chisau, looksau, poonsau, sansau, gorsau etc should be referred to as doon lien (Dulian) or interactive practise. They’re methods to practise together with a prtner for very specific reasons, each having strengths and weaknesses, but each being individual.
Am I making any sense here? To anyone? :o
[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1086883]I have to interject here Hendrik, because this is what I truly believe has caused, and still causes, confusion to the Wing Chun brotherhood across the globe.
This is not to be considered a ‘chisau’ platform at all, as chisau is it’s own platform.
If anything these exercises, along with chisau, looksau, poonsau, sansau, gorsau etc should be referred to as doon lien (Dulian) or interactive practise. They’re methods to practise together with a prtner for very specific reasons, each having strengths and weaknesses, but each being individual.
Am I making any sense here? To anyone? :o[/QUOTE]
There is no confusion.
We Like it or not. Disregard of how one wants to think and reason for himself.
That is the WCK Chi Sau platform from the Red Boat era. or the Original.
Which exist and common in YKS, GuLao, Cho family…etc , the older lineages of WCK.
This kind of training is commonly used in many TCMA styles such as WC, Taiji, Bagua, and Chinese wrestling.
WC doesnt suddently comes out from thin air in the 5000 years martial art evolution of China.
In this clip,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWo_k...eature=related
I don’t see the intention on “wrist grip” and “grip breaking”.
http://img848.imageshack.us/img848/4...stbreaking.jpg
it is a platform and Wong can evolve an express as he intends when he teaches.
These look like raw beginners just learning to make a circle, ha ha ha, how can you judge them?. Their rotation is extremely exaggerated and open showing they are not even used to the basic movement.
This type of full circle Chi Sau is all over Southern China and is older than the half circle Chi Sau commonly used in HK and else where. It seems most in the west believe that if some method other than that taught by Ip Man is practised then it is not Wing Chun. There are many other Wing Chun sifu’s doing the same in vdo’s on youtube. I think even Ip Ching and Sam Kwok break into this method and call it huen sau. HK style Chi Sao we call half circle this style is full circle. I am not saying one is better than the other just be aware of other methods.
In my family we have 3 stages / methods to learn when learning Chi Sao (to use a general term) “mor kue” “bik kue” “woi kue”.