[QUOTE=dimethylsea;979252]I think it’s worth mentioning that in a Western industrialized society virtually all firearms combat is at “point blank” or close range.. unless you are a professional of some kind (i.e. law enforcement, military or some sort of heavy criminal type).[/quote]drake somehow fails to see this…
That’s one reason why rapid weapon access, weapon retention, and point-shooting/indexing are the top firearm priorities for civilians in the West.
drake is not a civilian - this may explain his lack of civilian understanding on the matter.
Sighted longer range fire and the sorts of things Drake is talking about are primarily for war or prep for same.
civilians are hunters too… drake somehow thinks that only those in the military are going to be a good shot. :rolleyes:
Personally if I need to kill a human at 300 m. something has gone horribly horribly wrong (some sort of bizarre revenge scenario perhaps?). In a self-defense scenario if I have 300 m of distance that qualifies as a win for the good guys (run away! run away!).
i agree, snipers are pu$$ies - gutless, spineless, cowards… death from afar… how corny can you be?? LMAO!!!
[QUOTE=Drake;979258]Why do I even bother engaging Uki in conversation. You deviated from every single point I made, and your responses were so completely irrelavant, it destroyed the topic.[/quote]only from your limited angles of perception perhaps…
I’m not talking a drop from 9 to 8 pellets. I’m talking maybe like 2, which will only irritate the attacker.
hmmmm… i dunno what kind of pellets you are talking about here… does anyone else have a shotgun that shoots harmless buckshot pellets?? anyone??
You may even get an “ouch”.
you are amazing… let me shoot you with just one buckshot “pellet” and we’ll see if you just say ouch.
As for rifle “skills”, you are only reinforcing my point that one must be trained in firearm use in order to be effective.
highly circumstancial to the type of firearm one is using. training handguns is different than let’s say a .308 or a shotgun.
The grabbing of the barrel, and room clearing incidents are to reinforce the point that long barrelled weapons become a hindrance in homes, as corners can neutralize the weapon.
this is where “martial arts” and “unarmed combat” come in, no?? and you can always saw off the shotgun barrel einstein.
This is all based on Bawang’s mention that there should be a mention of firearms in martial arts, and that is absolutely true.
LOL
You can’t simply purchase a gun and expect it to do the work for you.
at the price of guns these days, it had better work. 
There is a degree of proficiency that must be achieved in order for any firearm to be used effectively.
come on drake, this is america, most people were born shooting guns… heck i started when i was like 7 or something - it’s like riding a bike, you really never lose the ability once you have it.
Consider the price of missing, ESPECIALLY when in close quarters.
aim small, miss small… so what are all you army guys using in close quarters?? some kind of gun that we cannot get?? LOL… the army truly has warped your mind hasn’t it??
