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Back to the question… 
Hello boys!
There are quite a few similarities between Fukien White Crane and Souther Mantis.
The most obvious is that they both have a basic form call “Som Bo Gin”.
They share a common rooting and basic stance, and delvelop live “ging” in the hands.
The hands never pull back, they both develop a “shake off the bridge” power and
“spring hand” power.
Stranger . . .
If you haven’t already, check out http://www.aei.ca/~straycat/kungfu/
There is an article on the history of Fukien White Crane there by a sifu in Montreal who teaches it.
Yang Jwing-ming has a book out called “The Essence of Shaolin White Crane.” The historical part is a little sketchy, but the movements of fundamental “jin” practice are well-described.
It’s a fascinating area. There’s a guy over in Britain who took the crane-style influences in his Goju-ryu karate training and researched the practice and physiology pretty thoroughly, and now integrates it into the NHB fighting training he offers.
Fu-kien/Fujian Southern White Crane
Anyone else train this style of southern crane as well?
It’s not really my thing to train but I do it cause I study under Dr. Yang Jwing Ming and White Crane is his specialty. Though he trains us extensively in Northern Long Fist as well. I’m more of a Long Fist guy. But the White Crane is much more difficult for me. Anyways, I was just wondering if there are others outside of the YMAA organization that trains this style of Crane anywhere else in the world. Though I believe in Taiwan there are few that are still practicing this style of southern White Crane.
Ren Blade,
I beleive we’ve had this conversation before. Sadly you won’t find too many White Crane people “Out There”.
Our own is linked to our official Patron, Great Master Ruan Dong of Fuzhou, Fujian, China. (See:
http:home.austarnet.com.au/tsuruken)
Best wishes!
Well, there’s still a lot of crane guys in Taiwan. But, most of them don’t speak english, so you certainly won’t find them here.
If you read and write chinese, I can give you the url to a crane board, you’ll find some kindred spirits there.
If you take a look a the current issue of Kung Fu/Qi Gong magazine, you’ll find two articles on fujian cranes. One is about Gene and KF/QG magazine crew’s visit to Taiwan and the Taiwan Crane. The other is about a teacher in Fujian, China. Interesting read.
The taiwan master really showed dedication as there’s a photograph of his feet. you can see severe deformation due to the specific stance used by crane. Boy, for that kind of deformation to take place, it take years of heavy stress training.
There’s also photos of traditional weight training equipment used. Big stone locks and big and I mean big stone rings. I saw iron rings before but these stone rings were a whole different matter.
I am sure Gene can fill you in on that.
wm
“Fujian Nanquan Congshu Hequan” Book on Southern Crane question
Hi.
Does anyone have a copy of this southern white crane book - “Fujian Nanquan Congshu Hequan” (chinese) handy?
I have a couple of quick questions someone with a copy maybe be able to answer for me.
thanks!
Hi 5th brother,
I have a copy of that book. I may be able to help but my chinese is not so good. What are your questions?
-Blake
Fujian White Crane Book
Loran Benards Fujian White Crane book A rare art revealed is a good book much better than his first one . Does anybody know about this version of White Crane called Flying Crane ?
What do you want to know? your curious about the second version?
I’v got it, its an excellent book.
I was actually hanging out with Sifu Lorne three weeks ago in MD, his student won 1st place in his weight division in Lei Tai at the Koushu tourny
Fukien/Fujian White Crane
Thanks for this Phil,
Interesting but sad to see that the internal has been overlooked perhaps in favour for a dare I say it more “marketable” expression!
Form is to train for energy development (Not for sparring), and for real life-protection the drills and/or pushing hands are meant for sensitivity training, they are not interchangeable! SPEED is never a subject for training, precision, accuracy, refinement, fluidity these are the qualities one aims for.
It often seems to me that the movements are too large to be a Crane. Large movements are meant for beginners, People like yourself will definitely find that during those oh so so many years of training, the form, through those years will slowly but surely, by itself, evolve, becoming smaller, higher in stance, smoother with constant connection to the ground with the entire body. One who has arrived at this state, could NOT have perform the form with such large circles.
The stepping is a manifestation of how one grounds oneself for energy cultivation via ground-reaction-energy. Secondly its stepping (what I call “Bicycle Stepping” … You can’t put pressure on both pedals at the same time and remain upright for very long!) is a form of constant motion and readiness to move should the circumstances warrant it. Lastly the steps are simply hidden leg manoeuvres: Blocks/Receiving motions, Circular Sweeps and destabilising motions, and lastly Hidden Kicks
The SanZhan sequences shown most probably shows that they are NOT familiar with the angles, power, and inches (centimeters, nowadays).
Most students head straight to the application and left out the cultivation, so, by the time they are in their 60’s, and above, they do not have any internal power to apply it since what they utilize on when they were young were nothing more than muscles and quick turns and twitches just to gain the upper hand.
Most external arts walk this sort of path, BUT White Crane and Tai Chi DO NOT! Make no mistake about this.
The Old Master(s) used to say that if one can truly MASTER the
SanZhan, (together with the drills and indoor knowledge) it is more than enough to use for a lifetime! There is no need to even practice a separate QiGong set to supplement the White Crane, the SanZhan by itself, in itself, is whole and complete.
I have seen other examples on Youtube etc but turned away from it pretty **** quickly as it lacked any real connection to the internal. Lets keep in mind that the FOUNDER of White Crane in ALL of it’s incarnations was Fang Qiniang … A WOMAN!
Do you, even for a fleeting moment think that she wanted her art to be EXTERNAL as it has sadly became!
The movements should be body-connected emanating from the ground up via the Dan Tien. The movements are fluid and very, very small and subtle.
It is my belief that White Crane is internal. Health, Qigong, Fighting are all inter-related. You cannot have one without the other. Keep in mind that Taoism has and remains a very big influence on not only Chinese Martial Arts but the very core of their culture. To separate from this is simply impossible by my way of thought. Their exhibition of White Crane is still very external, sometimes very static and lacking in the internal qualities I believe White Crane should embody.
GGM Xie Zhong Xiang was totally aware that the Crane is too hard based on his Taoist outlook. So he set upon himself to internalised it ~ this took many many years. And then it was TRANSMITTED to GM Huang who also became a Taoist. He took another 40 years to soften and internalise it even further, starting with the Deep Mind! This is one subject that most master are NOT apt enough to talk about much less teach.
It has been proven by such well respected Chinese Martial Arts Historians such as Stanely Henning and Brian L. Kennedy to name but two that the Chinese culture was heavily influenced by Taoist thought! So why have most Chinese masters turned their back on this? Maybe it’s because Taoism in the Martial Arts is not marketable and therefore they cannot make money off of it!
It is clearly understood that when the Okinawan’s were in touch with China, the old teachers did NOT transmit EVERYTHING to them.
What is internal? What is a daoist?
What daoist got to do with it?
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Those who make this chart does not understand the Chinese internal nei gong cultivation foundation. Thus, this chart is not useful for real deal.
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Another theory chart which looks great for layman however not much usefull. Not to mention the chart missed out the most key fundamental core of martial art.
dude, now YOU’RE posting in hanzi without translations?
You’re kidding, right?
TenTigers:
dude, now YOU’RE posting in hanzi without translations?
You’re kidding, right?
Well I just thought that one such as Hendrik would avail you all of his translation … How about it Hendrik? Any chance of a translation of what each section of hanzi says?
Hendrik:
Those who make this chart does not understand the Chinese internal nei gong cultivation foundation. Thus, this chart is not useful for real deal.
Hmmm so your saying that you are far more knowledgeable than those who wrote the book this came from? Interesting. Please explain why you feel your knowledge base is of a higher level than that of the author?
Hendrik:
Another theory chart which looks great for layman however not much usefull ( Sic: Incorrect spelling! ). Not to mention the chart missed out the most key fundamental core of martial art.
Cool then please enlighten us all and tell us what that “most key fundamental core” is that is missing? I am sure we would all like to know exactly what it is … so please, do share! Come on now, don’t be shy!