Hello,
I have started this threrad in the sincere hope that we can come together to share and discuss our various views about White Crane in all it’s forms.
This thread is not about who has the superior knowledge but for those wanting to share in the actual discussion of the art of White Crane.
It is about the art, not personalities.
As such I extend an invitation to Hendrik (and others) to join in and share of his views, opinions and resources on this matter.
Lets start at the beginning …
Thanks.
I let you all discuss and I enjoy your contribution.
Hendrik,
Why is it when you are given the opportunity to express yourself, your views and the sources from which you obtained same you clam up and refuse to share?
Is it because you don’t really know what your talking about except to sprout a few lines here and there, post a bit of googled Hanzhi and act like a bad fortune cookie?
Why do you refuse to cite the sources for the stuff you post?
I am starting to get the impression that your really not all that involved as you try to paint yourself as being.
if your not going to contribute to what is an actual Martial Arts Discussion (Yes Discussion!) Forum then please desist from posting at all.
Hello Ron, why don’t you share some of your views to get the ball rolling?
If I may say Ron, Hendrik has shown that he isnt able to be open with others on this forum; for example, by not being considerate of other who dont read Chinese ideograms is a big no-no, especially this is an English speaking forum.
His view point is askew when comes to other styles and when ask to clarify his opinion he starts to quote things in Chinese ideograms and doesnt give his honest opinion and have a simply dialogue.
In closing, dont empower his arrogances
Attacking people is not the best way to promote open discussion.
Just had it confirmed by Master Lee Kong of the Zhangzhou Jie Yuan Tan Jian Pai White Crane Boxing school in Fuzhou that he has agreed to be the Official Technical Master / Advisor to my school the White Crane Research Institute Inc and our Wu He Dao Zhan Pai White Crane Gongfu!
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Just had it confirmed by Master Lee Kong of the Zhangzhou Jie Yuan Tan Jian Pai White Crane Boxing school in Fuzhou that he has agreed to be the Official Technical Master / Advisor to my school the White Crane Research Institute Inc and our Wu He Dao Zhan Pai White Crane Gongfu![/QUOTE]
And that means what?
it means he has the endorsement of a mainland traditional kung fu teacher, which means he is a somebody.
Zhangzhou Jueyuan Tang in Fuzhou? ..was going to ask for autograph but…Li Gang () is from Hong Kong…at least can study the ladies boxing set …
Howard,
And that means what?
Not all that much unless you are within my school. Still, for us it’s something we can be proud of and we can look to Lee Kong Shifu for guidance, advice and technical information … ours is an on-going journey of discovery so in that sense it’s important to us.
Zhangzhou Jueyuan Tang in Fuzhou? ..was going to ask for autograph but…Li Gang () is from Hong Kong…at least can study the ladies boxing set …
My bad. You are right, He is currently in Hong Kong but was originally from Quanzhou, Fujian, China.
is also pronounced as Lee Kong.
You are interested in Gniang Quan?
Bawang:
it means he has the endorsement of a mainland traditional kung fu teacher, which means he is a somebody.
Afraid not mate. I am a “seeker” nothing more. I’m a nobody and happy at being just that!
[QUOTE=Minghequan;1131233]You are interested in Gniang Quan?[/QUOTE]
No. is enough
Okay so youer interested in Mysterious/black Female archaic variant of boxing.
Hey whatever gets you there man!
[QUOTE=yat_chum;1129258]Attacking people is not the best way to promote open discussion.[/QUOTE]
I was curious about that too. A long speech about this being a discussion and not about personalities, then an immediate attack, followed by another attack. So much for open dialog. This is typical of this forum and it’s members. Some just can’t seem to pass up a chance to get their say in. Oh well.
Not trying to attack anyone.
The bit about Hendrik arises from another thread in which he made some Hanzi quotes and quotes he claimed came from other sources but then would not supply actual sources for same even following many requests … very frustrating and not at all contributing towards the actual discussions!
Fuzhou
Can someone please explain what separates the white crane of Fuzhou from the other Fukienese cranes?
With my very, very limited knowledge it seems to me that Fukien arts (Crane, Ngo Cho Kun etc) are much harder in appearance and energy than that arising from Fuzhou.
To me, what I have seen of the Fukien stuff is far to external and lacking in Rou Jin and Soong. It’s just how it makes me “feel” about it.
One can see a lot of upper body strength being used. The tension and muscular contraction in the upper body cause stiffness and hardness to set in. The moment this happens, the rooting effect of the foot disappears or is lost. Thus, when two person trains at the single hand push, each one tries to win by deploying more strength - muscular contraction. With such concepts, how could the White Crane be soft subtle and powerful. Muscular strength disappears with aged or reduce greatly with age. Whereas Jin or internal power increases with age. I know of White Crane teachers who were very strong during their first 30 years of training, but, the moment they turn 50 odd and more, muscular degeneration sets in. This is an inevitable fact.
Another simple comparison: when you look at the abundance of Youtube of so many “White Crane” guys teaching the art, some are so hard that it looks mechanical. Exertion with the physical muscular strength is more common. Fang Qiniang was a lady so common sense would tell us that if she were required to engage in combat, how is it possible to use muscular strength to counter the brute strength of a full grown male. Very unlikely, so there must be something more to the art, other than angles, alignment and speed, all of which deteriorates through time.
Xie Zhong Xiang was slowly softening the Crane’s form into a higher level. This was not to say that the crane was hard in the beginning, it was soft, but Xie being a Taoist wanted it even more softer. Our White Crane is getting softer and more fluid which is what the old masters always intended.
But then, I only know very little.
if you want to help preserve white crane, why would you make up your own style? i smell fraud
[QUOTE=Minghequan;1137143]With my very, very limited knowledge it seems to me that Fukien arts (Crane, Ngo Cho Kun etc) are much harder in appearance and energy than that arising from Fuzhou.
To me, what I have seen of the Fukien stuff is far to external and lacking in Rou Jin and Soong. It’s just how it makes me “feel” about it.
One can see a lot of upper body strength being used. The tension and muscular contraction in the upper body cause stiffness and hardness to set in. The moment this happens, the rooting effect of the foot disappears or is lost. Thus, when two person trains at the single hand push, each one tries to win by deploying more strength - muscular contraction. With such concepts, how could the White Crane be soft subtle and powerful. Muscular strength disappears with aged or reduce greatly with age. Whereas Jin or internal power increases with age. I know of White Crane teachers who were very strong during their first 30 years of training, but, the moment they turn 50 odd and more, muscular degeneration sets in. This is an inevitable fact.
Another simple comparison: when you look at the abundance of Youtube of so many “White Crane” guys teaching the art, some are so hard that it looks mechanical. Exertion with the physical muscular strength is more common. Fang Qiniang was a lady so common sense would tell us that if she were required to engage in combat, how is it possible to use muscular strength to counter the brute strength of a full grown male. Very unlikely, so there must be something more to the art, other than angles, alignment and speed, all of which deteriorates through time.
Xie Zhong Xiang was slowly softening the Crane’s form into a higher level. This was not to say that the crane was hard in the beginning, it was soft, but Xie being a Taoist wanted it even more softer. Our White Crane is getting softer and more fluid which is what the old masters always intended.
But then, I only know very little.[/QUOTE]
where is the evidence Xie Zhong Xiang is a Taoist?
and not he is just inherit from his teacher?
what is the concept of Taoist is in the White Crane of Xie?
Perhaps, you are biasly influence by your own ideas of soft and missed what is white crane as it is.