If someone can kindly translate this article, thank you.
,1923
An old article from around 1930-1940. I believe it offers some insight about passed generations and if someone who speaks Chinese can translate this it would be greatly appreciated thanks.
[QUOTE=Bo_toxic;937438]If someone can kindly translate this article, thank you.
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http://kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=938245&postcount=76
[QUOTE=Bo_toxic;939917]An old article from around 1930-1940. I believe it offers some insight about passed generations and if someone who speaks Chinese can translate this it would be greatly appreciated thanks.[/QUOTE]
http://kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=939920&postcount=93
the ladies died hundreds of years ago. Whether she is fong or yim, she won’t be able to fight on your behalf. Give them a break.
Thanks to my Chinese friend, who can write and read Chinese, for the translation.
I appreciate your valuable time and energy in contributing to the martial arts community.
Ned
, 1923
During the Ching Dynasty, “” Era. In Fokien Weng Chun White Crane Kuen () developer ,also called Fong Wing Chun and his husband was accepting students spreading the art in the general area of Fokien Weng Chun County. Amongst the most successful successors of their students was . After had successfully learned the art from Fong Wing Chun, he started spreading the art through influential success. Within the Crane Kuen Style transfers the Kuen Slogan: [Internally hard like Iron, Externally soft like cotton]. Recent disciples of such as , etc famous boxers. Why then does the public misrepresent that 's disciple descendents as “Weng Chun Boxers”. This so called [Weng Chun White Crane Kuen], short for [Weng Chun Kuen] has a close relationship. Therefore, 's [Weng Chun White Crane Kuen] and Red Boat Opera’s Chi Sim Weng Chun kuen is not the same. This in comparison to Canton Foshan’s Wing Chun Kuen is also in chinese slang we called the Cow’s head does not match the Horse’s mouth . Foshan [Wing Chun Kuen] in the 40’s has very few people with the opportunity to encounter or practice. My ancestor’s during thier times had heard about the name from Foshan. The Close quarter Chi Sao combat was very famously known in Foshan. According to that time, the Fong’s family members also eye witnessed the Chi-Sao Chasing Combat called Hung Fa Kuen style from the Martial Artist as very similar. Modern day 40’s Foshan mostly 's Wing Chun Kuen became widely spread to the public. The Author of the Fong’s Family using Crane Boxing defeated many challengers in Fokien province and also gaining alot of Fame. In the year 1923, also have challenged fights with my ancestors totaling a 4 Win 6 Lost record. As evidenced by this experience, it shows that the Crane Kuen or so later developed Yi Kuen from has a definitive impact and influence.
why were several names and terms not translated?
thanks again to my friend and quick response.
. Cheng Lai
Poon Sai-Fung
Lam Bo-San
Cheng Mun-Cheun
Chan Wah-Soon
Wang Hong-Chai
Fokien Martial arts Historian
very cool indeed.
again many thanks. 
Translated article rough draft:
In Martial Arts history, Fong Wing Chun and Yim Wing Chun are two different separate entities of Martial artists. Fong Wing Chun’s Fokien Weng Chun White Crane Kuen is part of Fokien Counties Crane Style type. Why is it then that future generations spread rumors that Fokien Weng Chun White Crane Kuen and Canton’s Wing Chun Kuen have any correlations to one another? There are 3 specific reasons why this is so: Reason number 1, the Weng Chun in Fokien Weng Chun White Crane Kuen is a name of a specific place. Not a specific martial arts style type. Reason number 2, Fong Wing Chun is a person’s name, not a specific martial arts style type. And reason number 3, Fong Wing Chun and Yim Wing Chun, both has the same First name but different last names. Both individuals have different martial arts style types. White Crane Kuen simply is White Crane, and Wing Chun Kuen simply is Wing Chun Kuen. Then why are people in future generations confused over the misconception that Wing Chun Kuen spawned from Fokien Weng Chun White Crane Kuen? Because the inter-reasons indicate that Wing Chun Kuen’s hand tecniques contain those of Crane style and Snake style hand techniques. But Crane Style and Snake style hand techniques are existent in many martial arts forms within China. Therefore, it does not represent that Wing Chun Kuen and White Crane Kuen came from the same origin. There are numerous accounts that exist in the martial arts world such examples of mis-spread rumors of miswritten as . The author is Fokien White Crane Boxer ‘s successor’s. <Fokien Martial Arts Columnist>
Is this a separate style from Wing Chun when the article mentions this style ? According to that time, the Fong’s family members also eye witnessed the Chi-Sao Chasing Combat called Hung Fa Kuen style from the Martial Artist .
This is an exciting time in Wing Chun history for me. First was to learn that Chiang Po Lee, a member on this forum, learned Hung Fa from his father from Canton, China. Second, is to learn about this 1930’s article on Hung Fa boxing and Chi Sau. Two different source on Hung Fa with one source (Chiang) indicating that maybe 100’s or 1000’s of other knowing Hung Fa boxing in China at his father’s time line (1890’s).
If Yip Man created heaven gate chi sau then why does Hung Fa have a heaven gate/upper gate as mentioned in this forum? The reason I ask is it does not make much sense because Chiang Po Lee had stated that Hung Fa has Chi Sau and upper gate. According to Chiang, his father learned back in the 1890’s, the same decade Yip Man was born. Chiang also stated that his father learned it from the Chinese Imperial Army. Now there are more than two sources of Hung Fa boxing accounts of Chi Sau.
It’s exciting to see that the world is really bigger than some people’s backyard. 
This is an exciting time in Wing Chun history for me. First was to learn that Chiang Po Lee, a member on this forum, learned Hung Fa from his father from Canton, China. Second, is to learn about this 1930’s article on Hung Fa boxing and Chi Sau. Two different source on Hung Fa with one source (Chiang) indicating that maybe 100’s or 1000’s of other knowing Hung Fa boxing in China at his father’s time line (1890’s).
If Yip Man created heaven gate chi sau then why does Hung Fa have a heaven gate/upper gate as mentioned in this forum? The reason I ask is it does not make much sense because Chiang Po Lee had stated that Hung Fa has Chi Sau and upper gate. According to Chiang, his father learned back in the 1890’s, the same decade Yip Man was born. Chiang also stated that his father learned it from the Chinese Imperial Army. Now there are more than two sources of Hung Fa boxing accounts of Chi Sau. (Sorry to mention your name so many times Chiang but you are a source.)
It’s exciting to see that the world is really bigger than some people’s backyard.
Firehawk4 I will have to check with my more knowledgable Chinese friends on that one and then get back to you.
Ned Thanks for your interest and your take on things that is some interesting information you have written down lets see if we can put more of these pieces together for sure.
Ned, just one question …
What is a secret revolutionary system like Hung Fa (Yi) Wing Chun doing in the Chinese Imperial (Qing) army?
[QUOTE=Ned;941702]This is an exciting time in Wing Chun history for me. First was to learn that Chiang Po Lee, a member on this forum, learned Hung Fa from his father from Canton, China. Second, is to learn about this 1930’s article on Hung Fa boxing and Chi Sau. Two different source on Hung Fa with one source (Chiang) indicating that maybe 100’s or 1000’s of other knowing Hung Fa boxing in China at his father’s time line (1890’s).
If Yip Man created heaven gate chi sau then why does Hung Fa have a heaven gate/upper gate as mentioned in this forum? The reason I ask is it does not make much sense because Chiang Po Lee had stated that Hung Fa has Chi Sau and upper gate. According to Chiang, his father learned back in the 1890’s, the same decade Yip Man was born. Chiang also stated that his father learned it from the Chinese Imperial Army. Now there are more than two sources of Hung Fa boxing accounts of Chi Sau. (Sorry to mention your name so many times Chiang but you are a source.)
It’s exciting to see that the world is really bigger than some people’s backyard. ;)[/QUOTE]
You should spend some time developing some critical thinking skills.
All you are saying is that someone calling himself Chiang Po Lee SAYS he learned HFY from his father. Has any of this been substantiated? Or, is it just another case of gullible people accepting any story that supports their beliefs?
As Chee points out, it doesn’t make sense - even assuming HFY existed - for HFY to be in the Chinese Imperial Army. Not only that, but if it were, and thousands of people had learned it, then it would be well-known in China. And it’s not. WCK practitioners in Foshan knew about PFL WCK and there were only a handful of it practioners in the world. Yet. you want to believe that there were thousands of HFY practioners and no one had ever heard of.
Brilliant.
A clear case of people only seeing what they want to see…
From what I read in the article, from what Ned wrote, as well as Chiang, they are talking about “Hung Fa” wing chun or boxing, not HFY.
It was CFT and T that turned it into “Hung Fa Yi”. Neither Ned, Chiang, nor the article used the term HFY.. All one has to do is read!
Billiant indeed! :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=JPinAZ;941747]A clear case of people only seeing what they want to see…
From what I read in the article, from what Ned wrote, as well as Chiang, they are talking about “Hung Fa” wing chun or boxing, not HFY.
It was CFT and T that turned it into “Hung Fa Yi”. Neither Ned, Chiang, nor the article used the term HFY.. All one has to do is read!
Billiant indeed! :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]Does it really matter if it is “Hung Fa” or “Hung Fa Yi”? Just what are are the odds of 2 strands of “Hung Fa” Wing Chun Kuen?
Regardless … what is any WCK system doing in the Imperial Qing army?
Some people can’t get pass thier briliant critical thinking with there critical thinking a$s hat on. I’m talking about Hung Fa boxing guys, can’t you fuken read? T, are you calling CPL a liar?
T who is your grandfather? How do you know your grandfather is your grandfather? Were you told he was your grandfather and you so gullible to believe that? Are you parent’s liars? Are you living in fantasy? If you have kids are you sure they are your kids? You better critically check your whole family history and take off that brilliant a$s hat.
CFT, The 1890’s were turbulant times in China and I can not speak for CPL so I’m not going to speculate, I’m only sharing what CPL said. Have you heard of Foshan Canton Wing Chun?
[QUOTE=CFT;941752]Does it really matter if it is “Hung Fa” or “Hung Fa Yi”? Just what are are the odds of 2 strands of “Hung Fa” Wing Chun Kuen?
Regardless … what is any WCK system doing in the Imperial Qing army?[/QUOTE]
They are part of Terence’s Red and Black Checkered Flag WCK - the ones that defeated everyone at Shaolin, except those five sniveling cowards that escaped.