[QUOTE=Ned;941761]CFT, The 1890’s were turbulent times in China and I can not speak for CPL so I’m not going to speculate, I’m only sharing what CPL said. Have you heard of Foshan Canton Wing Chun?[/QUOTE]You mean the practice of Wing Chun Kuen from the city of Foshan, Guangdong or is there a specific group/school with this name? Given that 90%+ of WCK as practiced in the world today traces its roots to that place it is hard not to have heard of it.
[QUOTE=Ned;941761]Some people can’t get pass thier briliant critical thinking with there critical thinking a$s hat on. I’m talking about Hung Fa boxing guys, can’t you fuken read? T, are you calling CPL a liar?
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I don’t accept what people say as true absent evidence to support their claims – people can lie, they can be mistaken, they can be pulling someone’s leg, etc. People can claim anything; their claims don’t make it true.
As far as “Hung Fa” boxing is concerned-- if that is true, then so what? What in the hell does that have to do with HFY then? If “Hung Fa” boxing is not HFY, then so what if someone calls their WCK “Hung Fa”? If I call my WCK “Shaolin WCK” does that prove anything?
T who is your grandfather? How do you know your grandfather is your grandfather? Were you told he was your grandfather and you so gullible to believe that? Are you parent’s liars? Are you living in fantasy? If you have kids are you sure they are your kids? You better critically check your whole family history and take off that brilliant a$s hat.
It’s not that difficult to prove WCK lineage. Everyone in the whole world can do it EXCEPT HFY people! I can trace my WCK lineage back to Leung Jan, showing that each person really existed (Chu - Hawkins Cheung - Yip Man - Chan Wah Shun - Leung Jan) and really practiced WCK. After Leung Jan, with the Red Boats, you can’t really prove things, although it is likely that Wong Wah Bo existed and taught Leung Jan. Before that, it’s all myth.
HFY can’t prove it existed prior to Garrett Gee. Moreover, it contains all kinds of Yip Man era developments in the WCK curricilum.
Ahh, the know-it-all, I want nothing to do with HFY ‘expert’ speaks again. On yet again - HFY. Can’t get over it can you? Quit jockin’ T, it’s really sad.
[QUOTE=t_niehoff;941779]HFY can’t prove it existed prior to Garrett Gee. Moreover, it contains all kinds of Yip Man era developments in the WCK curricilum.[/QUOTE]
Ah heck, for conversation sake, and to give you a chance to man up and back yourself up for once: Ok, name them!
[QUOTE=JPinAZ;941782]Ahh, the know-it-all, I want nothing to do with HFY ‘expert’ speaks again. On yet again - HFY. Can’t get over it can you? Quit jockin’ T, it’s really sad.
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I’m not interested in HFY anymore than I’m interested in Yellow Bamboo. Pointing out fraud and fantasy isn’t showing an interest in the nonsense.
Ah heck, for conversation sake, and to give you a chance to man up and back yourself up for once: Ok, name them!
It’s already been pointed out – the “little iidea” term, the"seeking bridge" term that Yip Man created and used in changing the name of his two forms; the dan chi sao; the luk sao platform of chi sao; naming the knife form baat jaam doh; certain choreography in the sets, and so on. Of course, that HFY has Cheung’s TWC forms further proves it.
But why don’t you just show me one HFY practitioner-- ONE – that predates Garrett. Everyone else in the world can show their lineage.
I’m through talking with you and listening to you lie about not having a b@ner for HFY. We can talk when I’m out there.
[QUOTE=JPinAZ;941795]I’m through talking with you and listening to you lie about not having a b@ner for HFY. We can talk when I’m out there.[/QUOTE]
In my opinion, WCK as a whole has two HUGE problems.
The first is that the traditional chinese learning/training method that WCK uses produces poor results. And I think the only way to make WCK viable in the present is to change the way we teach/train and bring it in line with the modern training methods that have proven more successful.
The second is that there is all kinds of fantasy and (intentional and unintentional) fraud in WCK.
I don’t have a b@ner for HFY in particular. If you noticed, I have given Hendrik all kinds of grief over his “internal martial art” nonsense. And I like Hendrik. I think Hendrik has done some great research and is genuine inheritor of Yik Kam WCK. I give the same attention to Hendrik’s nonsense as I give to HFY – both types of nonsense IMO only make WCK’s problems greater. I think we need to cut through the bullsh!t in WCK, not make it thicker.
And I look forward to meeting you. You’ve got my cell #.